Contract Of Common Sense - Page 10

tonschk · 09-08-09, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I see only one bug in this game. Watch the trailer one more time. The cook...he is thin....I do not eat were the cook is thin. Get this changed to a fat jolly old fellow.

I think the opposite , I agree with the thin cook , I only eat where the cook is thin

, UBISOFT please the cook must be thin

TDK1044 · 09-08-09, 07:41 AM

Having done some research in the weeks since my initial post, I have come to believe with some confidence that SHV is going to be in a much healthier state when it's released than either SHIII or SHIV was.

With Ubisoft making the statement last year that the company accepted that it needed to improve the quality control of its games so that they were less buggy at release, I believe that internal changes were made in order to deliver on that promise.

I think we have to understand though that the game can't be all things to all people. It will undoubtedly pander to the casual gamer to a greater degree than many here would like, but at the same time it's also very obvious that the Devs have really taken the observations and criticism of SHIV to heart, and I believe that SHV will be the most impressive subsim to date.

I guess the overall point of my initial post was for us to keep the glass half full rather than half empty and invest in what the game will ultimately become. I'm now more hopeful that Ubisoft will surprise us with a game that will really impress us at release.

So with many thanks to Dan, Mihai and the other team members of SHV, I wait with confidence for the release of SHV.

Arclight · 09-08-09, 08:15 AM

Half full? My glass is overflowing.

I get the same impression, and even if it's less polished than expected, I'm sure it will be whipped into shape, like both SH3 and SH4 have over time.

No, I don't want to be a guinea pig, testing something that isn't finished. But I also don't want SH to go away. No buy = no more SH, so the choice, at least for me, is obvious.

Faamecanic · 10-25-09, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

However, Ubi has a solid record of taking care of us.

Your joking right?? I still find SH4 an abboration IMHO. So much so that after having played SH4 for only a month or so after the last patch, I went back to SH3 with GWX and let SH4 collect dust on my shelf.

I mean the list of obvious bugs never got fixed by Ubi (i.e. my main gripe...getting the same patrol assigned over and over and over... ad nauseum.)

But I will pre-order SH5 anyways, only because I want to support the sub-sim genre and Ubi is the only game in town. And I DO recognized the Devs do the best they can given the pressure from the suits.

I keep hoping the next release of the SH franchise will be near major bug free or patch to a near usable state. But again obvious bugs that never get fixed gets old. And Im not picky.... I dont whine about details missing (I could have excused SH4's "Sub on a rail" behavior if the patrols worked for example).

What kills me is when companies like EASports release 3 or 4 versions of a game/sim (Madden football series and Head coach) that are so bug ridden the sales fall of quickly. Then the suits turn around and blame the users for not supporting the franchise and then either cancel the series or just make console versions (Madden 08 was the last of the series for PC... but Madden 10 is on the books now for console only ). I dont want to see that happen to the Silent Hunter series.... but like others have said...I think this is the make or break release for Ubi.

With that said....again I will pre-order. Hopefully if enough of us PRE order the suits in Ubi HQ will wet themselves and tell UBI Romania to take extra special time to make a quality product out of the chute due to the big bank account this game has even before release!!

Faamecanic · 10-25-09, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Ohhh... Another interesting question...

Will the code be optimized for multicore processors?

This would help lower the system specs, while giving us a much higher tech sim.

AND will this support SLI/CROSSFIRE for the same reason above (and widescreen...)

Faamecanic · 10-25-09, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Ohhh... Another interesting question...

Will the code be optimized for multicore processors?

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Why hire bug testers? You've got a whole forum full of them here who would gladly work for free just to get an early glimpse of SH5.

Thats why I dont understand why Ubi and other game devs dont do MORE CLOSED beta tests (with Non-Disclosure Agreements). I mean someone like Neal, and other Snr. members (Kpt. Lehman) have 1) PROVEN they can keep a secret 2) have A LOT to loose if they dont. 3) PROVEN they LOVE the subsim community.

I mean a lot of the heavy duty SH3 modders (GWX, NYGM, RuB) also know how to beta test and report faults...

10-25-09, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Faamecanic

Your joking right?? I still find SH4 an abboration IMHO. So much so that after having played SH4 for only a month or so after the last patch, I went back to SH3 with GWX and let SH4 collect dust on my shelf.

you must be the one joking if you think its a fair to compare sh3 with gwx (a mod that took years to get sh3 working to the point its at)

to a stock unmodded version of sh4

i get so sick of hearing this whining that sh4 isnt as good as sh3 when in many ways it is better and in many ways different but its not supposed to be a new sh3 so dont expect it to be.

if you want to compare then compare a stock unmodded version of sh3 without gwx to a stock unmodded version of sh4, then tell me how great sh3 is without having gwx to fix everything for you.

also sh3 will never feel the same as sh4 because they are different strategy, different theaters, and different atmosphere, so it shouldnt feel like they are the same because they arent supposed to be.

ps = when you get reassigned the same patrol its because you didnt complete the mission in the time or place as you were instructed to do so you are sent back to complete the mission and "follow your orders" this time.

Philipp_Thomsen · 10-25-09, 10:39 PM

Well, Im sorry to disappoint, but Im not going to buy this game.

I dont like sub sims.

Méo · 10-25-09, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

I dont like sub sims.

So what the hell are you doing here.

Philipp_Thomsen · 10-26-09, 12:45 AM

Wait...

This is not a flight sim forum???

oh crap...

Adriatico · 10-26-09, 02:19 AM

I'll buy SHV as it gets released.

If it is bugged, I'll take my time to get familiar with keys, commands and settings of the game ...till the first patch.

( how to do this, how to perform that...etc )

Real fun in sim is - when you reach automatic level of playing skills.

***
Anyway, in this said period of "exterminated" serious sims for PC - it will be holiday for me!

Reece · 10-26-09, 07:44 AM

Stop that teasing Philipp!!

Kavok · 10-26-09, 08:48 AM

I'll be buying SHV when it is released, since I'm building a machine specifically for it. From there, with any luck patches will appear rapidly where bugs etc. are discovered so I'm hoping for some good beta work.

I'd urge Ubi not to rush though, I'd rather the date slip a bit if we get a better quality product.

10-26-09, 10:02 AM

@jscones

it may have sounded like i was trying to say sh4 is better than sh3 and i guess i did but i love sh3 as well and just like i said about sh4, sh3 is better than sh4 in many ways too, i love both games equally but the thing i felt i had to respond to was this idea that sh3 IS gwx.

while most will agree gwx is what makes sh3 so good, i often play it stock just like i play sh4 stock so i know both stock games and the flaws of each very well. i would bet he never tried or even knows about the TMO or RFB supermods because of his comments.

comparing stock sh4 to sh3 with gwx is like comparing a bycicle to a bicycle with a car pulling it, which is totally unfair and uncomparable.

Faamecanic · 10-26-09, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by WEBSTER

if you want to compare then compare a stock unmodded version of sh3 without gwx to a stock unmodded version of sh4, then tell me how great sh3 is without having gwx to fix everything for you.

ps = when you get reassigned the same patrol its because you didnt complete the mission in the time or place as you were instructed to do so you are sent back to complete the mission and "follow your orders" this time.

Did I say I was comparing SH4 to GWX? No I did not, please read posts before misquoting and going off half-cocked...I was just saying I went back to GWX because of the bugs in SH4 that were totally obvious and game breakers for me. Would I not have upset you as much if I said I went to playing Madden 08, or MS flightsim and uninstalled SH4 (actually that might have been true as I have more than one game on my HDD).

Also YOU MADE MY POINT for me that UBI does not finish what they start. The quote I used was from a poster that said "Ubisoft will take care of us" when in fact we know they left BOTH SH3 vanilla and SH4 with huge bugs. You even admit it by saying "then tell me how great sh3 is without having gwx to fix everything for you". Which means by your own admission SH3 WAS BROKE and never fixed until GWX came about. So your saying the same thing I did that "UBI does not take care of us"....Right?

As far as your comment on patrols being reassigned... maybe that was fixed with the release/patch containing the Uboats. I never bought that after the last FREE download patch because I thought why bother if they didnt fix the stock SH4. And shame on Ubi if they had a further SH4 patch contained in Uboat add on. Why should I have to PAY for a patch (actually I would have PAID for a patch to SH3 and 4 if Ubi FIXED all the gross errors.. again example from SH3 the XXI batteries taking forever to recharge).

Furthermore...I DID get "Mission complete" messages EVERY TIME I played SH4, I would return to port (sailing the whole way) and would still get the same mission over and over. So if I was doing something wrong and still getting "Mission complete" I would say that is a bug eh...

Back to my main point 1) it should NEVER be up to the Mod community to fix UBI's or any other game publishers lack of QA and giving devs long enough to finish a project. This is somethig it seems UBI is serious about fixing, and if they do the GOOD FOR THEM...they will be the first in the PC game industry to not only admit they have fallen down on QA, but would make the the FIRST to do something about it 2) I will STILL pre-purchase SH 5 only to support the devs in HOPE that UBI will get enough pre-purchase money this time to allow the Devs to finish the project. Although I must say I feel like Im being taken advantage of by my own choice here after being burned.

To me it seemed in INFERRED that I was comparing SH3 w/GWX to SH4 and I was not. You are correct that you cant compare the two. In fact you cant compare SH3 to SH4. My main point was UBI does NOT take care of us (in giving us a near bug free sim even after multiple patches).

And "i would bet he never tried or even knows about the TMO or RFB supermods". Yes I knew there were out there (early releases last I looked at them), but by then SH4 was removed from my HDD and I was enjoying myself with GWX (and other games, sims) and never had the time to try these out. I may give them a go now, for something to hold me over until SH5. But now it seems you want to compare a moded SH4 with the vanilla SH4, and according to your logic we are not supposed to do that.

09-08-09, 08:15 AM	#138
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Half full? My glass is overflowing. I get the same impression, and even if it's less polished than expected, I'm sure it will be whipped into shape, like both SH3 and SH4 have over time. No, I don't want to be a guinea pig, testing something that isn't finished. But I also don't want SH to go away. No buy = no more SH, so the choice, at least for me, is obvious. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

10-25-09, 10:39 PM	#143
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Well, Im sorry to disappoint, but Im not going to buy this game. I dont like sub sims. __________________ To each his own

10-26-09, 12:45 AM	#145
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Wait... This is not a flight sim forum??? oh crap... __________________ To each his own

10-26-09, 02:19 AM	#146
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	I'll buy SHV as it gets released. If it is bugged, I'll take my time to get familiar with keys, commands and settings of the game ...till the first patch. ( how to do this, how to perform that...etc ) Real fun in sim is - when you reach automatic level of playing skills. *** Anyway, in this said period of "exterminated" serious sims for PC - it will be holiday for me! __________________

10-26-09, 07:44 AM	#147
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,828 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Stop that teasing Philipp!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

09-08-09, 07:41 AM	#137
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Having done some research in the weeks since my initial post, I have come to believe with some confidence that SHV is going to be in a much healthier state when it's released than either SHIII or SHIV was. With Ubisoft making the statement last year that the company accepted that it needed to improve the quality control of its games so that they were less buggy at release, I believe that internal changes were made in order to deliver on that promise. I think we have to understand though that the game can't be all things to all people. It will undoubtedly pander to the casual gamer to a greater degree than many here would like, but at the same time it's also very obvious that the Devs have really taken the observations and criticism of SHIV to heart, and I believe that SHV will be the most impressive subsim to date. I guess the overall point of my initial post was for us to keep the glass half full rather than half empty and invest in what the game will ultimately become. I'm now more hopeful that Ubisoft will surprise us with a game that will really impress us at release. So with many thanks to Dan, Mihai and the other team members of SHV, I wait with confidence for the release of SHV.

10-26-09, 08:48 AM	#148
Kavok Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: K'Tithrak Mang Posts: 25 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I'll be buying SHV when it is released, since I'm building a machine specifically for it. From there, with any luck patches will appear rapidly where bugs etc. are discovered so I'm hoping for some good beta work. I'd urge Ubi not to rush though, I'd rather the date slip a bit if we get a better quality product. __________________ "Hostile elements will be deleted!"

10-26-09, 10:02 AM	#149
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	@jscones it may have sounded like i was trying to say sh4 is better than sh3 and i guess i did but i love sh3 as well and just like i said about sh4, sh3 is better than sh4 in many ways too, i love both games equally but the thing i felt i had to respond to was this idea that sh3 IS gwx. while most will agree gwx is what makes sh3 so good, i often play it stock just like i play sh4 stock so i know both stock games and the flaws of each very well. i would bet he never tried or even knows about the TMO or RFB supermods because of his comments. comparing stock sh4 to sh3 with gwx is like comparing a bycicle to a bicycle with a car pulling it, which is totally unfair and uncomparable.