If it don't "SAVE", I don't want it!

[Kromus]

Originally Posted by Ragtag

You can't complain on features in a game when its modded to death. Yeah, the save function isn't perfect but i have never had a load savegame issue. When you mod a game you just can't blame anyone else.

Savegame issue has NOTHING to do with modded game.
It was in vanilla game from the start. Personally I didn`t have any problems with saves in SH3 (lucky as hell) but got really pissed off few times in SH4 (mission where I was lucky to find and sink Yamato, then I had to quit because RL issue and when I tried to load CTD came up - last save was more than a week behind so go figure how happy I was...).

So don`t blame modders, they have nothing to do with it, it`s well known stock game problem.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

maybe they could find a way for it to only save (take a snapshot if you will) only whats within visual range but im guessing the main problem with it is it has more to do with it still having the AI to control it

if they just remorphed it i guess it would no longer be connected to the AI system

it sure would be nice if they found a way to do it though

Oh trust me I agree.....it might well be possible though because the game engine is obviously a lot newer than the one used in SH3.

[Raven08]

Originally Posted by W_clear

I don't like "save",beacause it's not ture.

What about the random crash to desktop? Which is common with this series. Just start over? No thanks.

If I do something stupid to sink the boat that's one thing, but memory leaks and dogshlt code, which has plagued the Silent Hunter series since day one, is another matter.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Raven08

What about the random crash to desktop? Which is common with this series. Just start over? No thanks.

If I do something stupid to sink the boat that's one thing, but memory leaks and dogshlt code, which has plagued the Silent Hunter series since day one, is another matter.

It's probably more hardware related as I have never had any save problem or seemingly random CTD. Of course they should have coded it a little better so there wouldn't be any problems on any rig, but it's clear the save function works very well on some rigs (like mine).

[Arclight]

No save-game issues or random CTD, ever.

And yes, modded game most of the time. I won't deny SH3&4 have some issues, but a lot of problems with people's systems get attributed to the game. It's not nearly as bad as some would have you believe.

[Overboard]

Never had a problem with any of my saves.. But your right being able to save your game and not have to worry if they will work or not is a good thing

[maerean_m]

Originally Posted by prowler3

Let me reiterate the need for a stable "Save" function. I have just lost 2 days of work, in SH3+GWX3. The save will not load. I was SURFACED, I was MORE THAN 50 NM from any ship, I was IN THE CONTROL ROOM, I was NOT BEING HUNTED when I saved...but it will not load. The save is in line with dates/times (a usual culprit)...nothing points to why this save won't load...and I'm &%$@!^Y tired of it.

The way the progress is being saved has been COMPLETELY rewritten. None of those bugs will annoy you any more (there will be new bugs, of course )

Originally Posted by maerean_m

The way the progress is being saved has been COMPLETELY rewritten. None of those bugs will annoy you any more (there will be new bugs, of course )

i dont mind the new bugs at all, but the old bugs were on to me so i could trick them anymore

were you guys able to let us save the AI stuff around us too when we save or is that still not doable?

[maerean_m]

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

were you guys able to let us save the AI stuff around us too when we save or is that still not doable?

Can you be more specific, please?

[Kromus]

CTD IS hardware related issue pretty much, personally I`ve had CTDs when I bought game and there were no patches. Since the last patch I`ve never had CTD (I`m using TMO + RSRD + few more mods). I`ve only had CTD (program stopped working) when loading savegame. Same goes with other games, all running fine (I understand a bit how to build a working computer).

Savegame problem IS simply NOT hardware related issue, the only problem is how savegame data are stored (you only load data, nothing else, it doesn`t check anything special, just data) and thats UBI problem because they can`t make working savegames. But they are not frequent just show up in the least expected moment so I can live with it. But they are still there.

Point here is that savegame should be 100% stable - unless you corrupt it yourself (some other games have samegame issues too, for instance Pro Cycling Manager 09 - rocksteady on my machine but savegame issues - it saves game when you quit game, no load just continue game but rarely it just freaks out - backing up saves it my "daily bread", go at PCMdaily.com forums, savegame problems are described nicely there - they even included autobackupsave after each ingame week...), so it shouldn`t matter where you are or what you do.

And don`t mix apples and oranges (CTD+savegame issue)

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by maerean_m

Can you be more specific, please?

I believe an example of what webster is talking about is if you save near a harbor, and then reload your game, ships will "forget" their waypoints and run aground and burn.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I believe an example of what webster is talking about is if you save near a harbor, and then reload your game, ships will "forget" their waypoints and run aground and burn.

LOL you dont need a saved game for ships and planes for that matter to run aground :rotfl:

More than once Ive approached a harbor and spotted a plume of smoke.

I fly the external cam over there to see whats up and Its the philidalphia experement with ships stuck halfway into buildings and burning.

The aircraft seem to forget at times there is a mountain there and just fly into them

Just one of those quirky game things.

I have never suffered a corrupted save but then again after hearing all the stories I am quite careful as to the frequency and locations of my saves.

To the OP I have a question.... You played for two days without a save?

Originally Posted by WEBSTER
were you guys able to let us save the AI stuff around us too when we save or is that still not doable?

Originally Posted by maerean_m

Can you be more specific, please?

ok what i am talking about is when you save a game in sh4 when you have some computer randomly generated AI activity in the area such as a convoy, task force, or airplane, when you reload this saved game (assuming it wasnt a corrupted save, but i heard you guys already addressed that) when you reload the game you are there but everything computer randomly generated AI stuff that was there with you is not there any more.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Kromus

Savegame problem IS simply NOT hardware related issue, the only problem is how savegame data are stored (you only load data, nothing else, it doesn`t check anything special, just data) and thats UBI problem because they can`t make working savegames. But they are not frequent just show up in the least expected moment so I can live with it. But they are still there.

then explain why some people keep getting corrupted save files and other people (like me) have never had any, while they're using the same game version / OS etc. If the software is so similar the only thing left that can cause corrupted saves is hardware (or hardware related stuff like drivers)
Still, I agree UBI should make a saving system that works on any computer.

(also, what did you want SH4 to load besides data? Ain't 'data' the way everything is stored on a PC?)

[Kromus]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

then explain why some people keep getting corrupted save files and other people (like me) have never had any, while they're using the same game version / OS etc. If the software is so similar the only thing left that can cause corrupted saves is hardware (or hardware related stuff like drivers)
Still, I agree UBI should make a saving system that works on any computer.

(also, what did you want SH4 to load besides data? Ain't 'data' the way everything is stored on a PC?)

If the problem was hardware related ("faulty" SW driver mismatch that communicates with "faulty" HW for example) it would crash before you could saved anything - game would process data that would cause crash so you couldn`t actually save them ( those are "extra data").

Save game stores only (at least should) data you actually encountered before the crash. Those aren`t data that are artificially created (Ubi knows better how this works - just my opinion, maybe there are some data that causes the crash) after you saved something. And thats the problem.

This game must have some strange savegame algorithm system that doesn`t close all "opened strings" before it actually saves RUNNING game = when it tries to load a game those strings are missing and game crashes (like I said it happens rarely but it is there - I`ve had last crash about 2 weeks ago, now I`m playing for fun with SSBN Ohio and saving underwater even when attacking big convoys with 15+ ships and simply no crash yet)... When you try to load a game, there are still few strings that cause a crash because game can`t simply find them. There must be something like this, because when you continue playing for a while after you saved game your game won`t crash, just when you load.

Try to load and save 100 times in 20 different enemy harbors when few destroyers are throwing depth charges or shoot at you at perispope depth... Or just save 200 times per patrol near different ports. If you try this 10K times, I`ll believe that we all have faulty HW (just j/k)

Anyway, if this would be really HW related issue, it would be really interesting (can`t save properly because of "faulty hardware" that otherwise actually runs game at 100% - it even sounds illogical unless we all have corrupted harddrives - remember this game needs/should have to load ALL of information/files or "data" before it can actually save it... unless, well... UBI ). Some official statement from UBI would be nice here.

P.S.: I really don`t want to argue here, I`m just 100% sure that it`s not my hardware issue...
Man, more topics like this and I actually start to believe I`ve go total crap at home