Shot at Dawn? - Page 2

irish1958 · 09-03-09, 05:59 PM

That is true.
The overwhelming number of officers in the KM were professional officers who served their country in an honest and moral way.
WAR is not nice. When the lawyers have several years to analyze what one had to do in a split second with inadequate data, they often will have a different (and to them) a perfectly reason and highly moral solution to the problem, with which they will attack you as the worst bastard on two or four feet.
They are up to their knees in horse dudu!!!

P.S. guess my profession

Mopy · 09-03-09, 06:27 PM

You said 'what one had to do', so something posh

Officer maybe, or something technical.

09-03-09, 06:35 PM

Actually I consider the GWX response to sinking a hospital ship to be entirely reasonable but would have liked it better had there been some sort of randomization (no pun intended) in the sanctions as applied.

Would also suggest that the KM's honour or lack thereof is not the issue here in any way shape or form. In a regime that would kill millions, placing one of their own up against a wall to serve some percieved political or military necessity certainly happened and nothing Doenitz could say would likely make any difference at all. Of course for public effect the solution might not call for a show trial at all but maybe a pistol or cyanide capsule and a moments inattention by sympathetic jailers or old comrades would achieve the same results.

In this case it's Spring 1943, the tide of the war is obviously turning against the Nazis and perhaps (well outside the realm of SH3) this hospital ship sinking created problems with important neutrals, Ireland, Sweden or Spain for example. It does not take a big leap of faith to imagine sacrificing a mere Kaluen on the alter of expediancy.

I am satisfied with Kpt. Lehmann's explanation and the manner in which GWX deals with this situation. The honour of the U-Boat force is not for this debate in my opinion.

Good Hunting

Leandros · 09-04-09, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Randomizer

The honour of the U-Boat force is not for this debate in my opinion.

Good Hunting

Nor their political Leadership.....

Checkmate King 2 · 09-04-09, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I hear them say the eastern front is quite pleasant at this time of year

Once you arrive, you'll get a promotion to a PLO!!!!

A Perminate Latrine Orderly!!! :rotfl:

sharkbit · 09-04-09, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Checkmate King 2

Once you arrive, you'll get a promotion to a PLO!!!!

A Perminate Latrine Orderly!!! :rotfl:

Beats sitting in a trench watching wave after wave of T-34's coming at you.

kbak303 · 03-04-10, 09:36 PM

I suppose you can kiss me skipper good by then...

Just figured I'd be an idiot and take a shot at a nearby tanker, and well....13000 plus meters...and wouldn't you know it, not only does it hit, but I get the 'she's going down...with one eel...

I suppose it's firing squad at dawn...

.....and to think I refused the mandatory retirement just to head to the Med

UPDATE: _
-8356 renown....listed as dead in the ending mission....
Off the coast of Egypt, 84% realisim using GWX and Commander

09-03-09, 05:59 PM	#16
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	That is true. The overwhelming number of officers in the KM were professional officers who served their country in an honest and moral way. WAR is not nice. When the lawyers have several years to analyze what one had to do in a split second with inadequate data, they often will have a different (and to them) a perfectly reason and highly moral solution to the problem, with which they will attack you as the worst bastard on two or four feet. They are up to their knees in horse dudu!!! P.S. guess my profession __________________ Irish1958

03-04-10, 09:36 PM	#22
kbak303 Seaman Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 41 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I suppose you can kiss me skipper good by then... Just figured I'd be an idiot and take a shot at a nearby tanker, and well....13000 plus meters...and wouldn't you know it, not only does it hit, but I get the 'she's going down...with one eel... I suppose it's firing squad at dawn........and to think I refused the mandatory retirement just to head to the Med UPDATE: _ -8356 renown....listed as dead in the ending mission.... Off the coast of Egypt, 84% realisim using GWX and Commander Last edited by kbak303; 03-07-10 at 04:04 PM.

09-03-09, 06:27 PM	#17
Mopy Torpedoman Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 118 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	You said 'what one had to do', so something posh Officer maybe, or something technical.

09-03-09, 06:35 PM	#18
Randomizer Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Actually I consider the GWX response to sinking a hospital ship to be entirely reasonable but would have liked it better had there been some sort of randomization (no pun intended) in the sanctions as applied. Would also suggest that the KM's honour or lack thereof is not the issue here in any way shape or form. In a regime that would kill millions, placing one of their own up against a wall to serve some percieved political or military necessity certainly happened and nothing Doenitz could say would likely make any difference at all. Of course for public effect the solution might not call for a show trial at all but maybe a pistol or cyanide capsule and a moments inattention by sympathetic jailers or old comrades would achieve the same results. In this case it's Spring 1943, the tide of the war is obviously turning against the Nazis and perhaps (well outside the realm of SH3) this hospital ship sinking created problems with important neutrals, Ireland, Sweden or Spain for example. It does not take a big leap of faith to imagine sacrificing a mere Kaluen on the alter of expediancy. I am satisfied with Kpt. Lehmann's explanation and the manner in which GWX deals with this situation. The honour of the U-Boat force is not for this debate in my opinion. Good Hunting