WWII started today, Here is what ex Presidental candidate Buchanon writes about it.

09-02-09, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

What has this to do with any kind party affiliation?

Both are right-wingers, Buchanan and Hitler. Birds of a feather flock together.

Skybird · 09-02-09, 04:32 AM

And that guy really wanted to become president. America was lucky this time.

DeerHunter UK · 09-02-09, 05:50 AM

As a Brit, I'm deeply offended by what this man has to say. Rather get into a long, protracted statement as to why this t**t of a man is completely wrong and why he's ignored history. All I'll say is this, we have ignorant fascists in this country too.

CaptainHaplo · 09-02-09, 06:02 AM

Once again people make fun of something simply because it goes against "established" or "accepted" wisdom. Just like the "discussion" of global warming, its not about the actual facts, its about running anyone who doesn't agree with a specific view into the ground as some nutcase. While I know its shocking to some, and beyond thought for others, the historical FACTS are accurate. Hitler did not want war- at the time.

What the reproduced post fails to mention is that Hitler EXPECTED Great Britain and France to back down, as they had done repeatedly in the past. He miscalculated, thinking they would continue to appease his demands. It is FACT that after the war started, he made repeated overtures for peace. Someone that WANTS war doesn't try to make the shooting stop.

The facts are that Germany was wholly unprepared to fight a long term war that involved sea power, as any war with GB would. If you know your history, you know Donitz was unpleasantly suprised by the outbreak of WW2.

The Z plan, as it was known, anticipated war with GB in 1945, and was designed to put German naval forces on a footing to win such a war within that time frame.

Now, its also fair to point out that the wording of the demand to Hitler to remove his forces from Poland gave him an option to back off and stop war. He simply thought it was more blustering, and he was wrong.

To say that Hitler did not want to conquer Europe is not true. He simply wanted to do it in a way that cost less to his regime. Wise leadership by Churchill led to putting a stop to that before Hitler was truly prepared.

Also, its important to note that the claim that "we would all be speaking German" if WW2 had not happened is ludicrous. Taking an island in the Pacific is different than invading a continent when your supply lines are stretched over an ocean.

Hitler wanted war - he after all planned on one, but not in 1939. Those are historical FACTS. Just because you have a beef with the person, doesn't give you license to ignore the reality of history.

09-02-09, 06:27 AM

Wow Buchanan has lost the plot even more than he already had.
Thats quite surprising as I didn't think he could get any crazier

Torplexed · 09-02-09, 07:17 AM

It's funny how most history since WW2 takes Britain and France to task for backing down from Hitler at Munich and throwing Czechoslovakia to the wolves. Buchanan throws Britain and France to the wolves for interfering one country later. Couldn't they have waited until Herr Hitler had perfected all his 4 engined bombers and built his vast navy and armada of troop transports and taken over the world with a minimum of fuss? The world would be safe now for non-smoking vegetarian white guys in crisp brown uniforms now. He would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids....

Hitler offered Britain peace after the fall of France only to secure his flank for the attack on Russia and save resources. However, I doubt his ambitions or those of his successors would have ever been sated. In addition, the idea that a peace treaty with Britain in 1940 would have prevented the trains from rolling to the concentration camps is ludicrous.

Onkel Neal · 09-02-09, 07:22 AM

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Why did he start the war with no surface fleet, no troop transports and only 29 oceangoing submarines?

Because he was nutz?

I thought maybe this was fake, but it's right there on the official website... man, Pat is losing it.

August · 09-02-09, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Because he was nutz?

I thought maybe this was fake, but it's right there on the official website... man, Pat is losing it.

I think Pat lost it long ago. This is just the latest evidence of it.

Aramike · 09-03-09, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Because he was nutz?

I thought maybe this was fake, but it's right there on the official website... man, Pat is losing it.

Wait, are you suggesting that he ever "had it" to begin with?

Tchocky · 09-04-09, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Because he was nutz?

I thought maybe this was fake, but it's right there on the official website... man, Pat is losing it.

MSNBC have pulled it from their site - http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...nbc/index.html

09-02-09, 04:32 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,672 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And that guy really wanted to become president. America was lucky this time. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-02-09, 06:02 AM	#4
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Once again people make fun of something simply because it goes against "established" or "accepted" wisdom. Just like the "discussion" of global warming, its not about the actual facts, its about running anyone who doesn't agree with a specific view into the ground as some nutcase. While I know its shocking to some, and beyond thought for others, the historical FACTS are accurate. Hitler did not want war- at the time. What the reproduced post fails to mention is that Hitler EXPECTED Great Britain and France to back down, as they had done repeatedly in the past. He miscalculated, thinking they would continue to appease his demands. It is FACT that after the war started, he made repeated overtures for peace. Someone that WANTS war doesn't try to make the shooting stop. The facts are that Germany was wholly unprepared to fight a long term war that involved sea power, as any war with GB would. If you know your history, you know Donitz was unpleasantly suprised by the outbreak of WW2. The Z plan, as it was known, anticipated war with GB in 1945, and was designed to put German naval forces on a footing to win such a war within that time frame. Now, its also fair to point out that the wording of the demand to Hitler to remove his forces from Poland gave him an option to back off and stop war. He simply thought it was more blustering, and he was wrong. To say that Hitler did not want to conquer Europe is not true. He simply wanted to do it in a way that cost less to his regime. Wise leadership by Churchill led to putting a stop to that before Hitler was truly prepared. Also, its important to note that the claim that "we would all be speaking German" if WW2 had not happened is ludicrous. Taking an island in the Pacific is different than invading a continent when your supply lines are stretched over an ocean. Hitler wanted war - he after all planned on one, but not in 1939. Those are historical FACTS. Just because you have a beef with the person, doesn't give you license to ignore the reality of history. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

09-02-09, 07:17 AM	#6
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	It's funny how most history since WW2 takes Britain and France to task for backing down from Hitler at Munich and throwing Czechoslovakia to the wolves. Buchanan throws Britain and France to the wolves for interfering one country later. Couldn't they have waited until Herr Hitler had perfected all his 4 engined bombers and built his vast navy and armada of troop transports and taken over the world with a minimum of fuss? The world would be safe now for non-smoking vegetarian white guys in crisp brown uniforms now. He would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.... Hitler offered Britain peace after the fall of France only to secure his flank for the attack on Russia and save resources. However, I doubt his ambitions or those of his successors would have ever been sated. In addition, the idea that a peace treaty with Britain in 1940 would have prevented the trains from rolling to the concentration camps is ludicrous. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

09-02-09, 05:50 AM	#3
DeerHunter UK Machinist's Mate Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 124 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	As a Brit, I'm deeply offended by what this man has to say. Rather get into a long, protracted statement as to why this t**t of a man is completely wrong and why he's ignored history. All I'll say is this, we have ignorant fascists in this country too.

09-02-09, 06:27 AM	#5
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Wow Buchanan has lost the plot even more than he already had. Thats quite surprising as I didn't think he could get any crazier