manual targeting - speed

abchirk · 08-29-09, 01:38 PM

Hi, I read those posts when you posted it... but for any reason I am not able to post a message here when using firefox under windows...

so, thx for all those nice hints... I think I got an idea for those techniques now and I think I know what I am doin now.. the rest should be fine tuning and a lot of training.

So, but I also miss not moving boats sometimes... when I set bearing it is better to add 2-3 to the actual bearing, correct? Because the torpedo just runs 10metres before he "bears" right to target?

2cnd.
How can I add a spread angle to a single torp? I can't set it, its frozen the thing for that on right side in attack map.

3rd
When target is moving which bearing I have to set... where do I see it or where should it be after my calculations? The actual bearing position of target, correct?

Thank you in advance

abchirk · 08-30-09, 03:05 AM

well, here I am again, I would have post yesterday. But as I said I can't post here under windows?`

Ok, after I figured out what angle on bow means... my torpedoes hitting up to 80%

Eh and with the spread angle, I'll just take another bearing for the other torpedoes.

and to third.. I asked this because I failed always on angle on bow... so I just have to put in actual data..

My next question would be, why I don't see the torpedo course in attack map when I activated the mod AOB?

Frederf · 08-30-09, 04:31 PM

1. It is best to let the computer figure it out. Best way to hit not moving boats is to turn the submarine to face the target. If the torpedo does not have to make a turn then it cannot miss. If you must shoot a torpedo that turns, make sure range is correct in TDC. The TDC figures out how much to turn the torpedo.

2. You can't. Spread angle is angle between multiple torpedoes. With one torpedo it can only go one direction.

3. You always have to set bearing to target, this is how the torpedo knows where to go even for stationary target. With a moving target you must set "AoB" which is the direction the target is moving from your point of view as well as the speed.

heartc · 09-02-09, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederf

Best way to hit not moving boats is to turn the submarine to face the target. If the torpedo does not have to make a turn then it cannot miss. If you must shoot a torpedo that turns, make sure range is correct in TDC.

Range is irrelevant when the target doesn't move. You must have meant bearing.
In fact, range is the least important data with the least effect on accuracy even for moving targets.

Frederf · 09-02-09, 02:12 AM

Negative. Range matters a great deal even against a stationary target. If you have TDC data

Range: 1100yd
Bearing: 056°
Speed: 0 kt

and the target is actually

Range: 4300yd
Bearing: 056°
Speed: 0 kt

You will miss.

Fincuan · 09-22-09, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederf

Range: 1100yd
Bearing: 056°
Speed: 0 kt

and the target is actually

Range: 4300yd
Bearing: 056°
Speed: 0 kt

You will miss.

Indeed, and it's not going to be even close. Below is the same situation drawn in Mobo. A straight run of 200 yds from the periscope to the turning point is assumed before the torpedo executes an immediate turn to the bearing. In practice the turn wouldn't be immediate and the straight run would probably longer, resulting in an even bigger error.

Morpheus · 09-22-09, 11:43 AM

there is also another "trick" to get the targets estimated speed...

when reporting a convoy, you can read the estemated speed from the radio log ... this can be considered as "cheating", but so what.

torpedo fireing from a german uboat in sh4 is bugged anyways, when playing stock, so take any advantage you can get.

i play with the "map update" feature and fire directely from the attack map view. it's like shooting fish in a barrel. i never miss.

maby that changes with mods like operation moonsun. i will have a try on that soon.

cheers
morph

kstanb · 09-22-09, 02:13 PM

I don't consider it cheating for the only reason that the estimate is not that good anyway, last time I check, radio log estimated 5 knots and the actual 2 bearing-range input gave me 7 knots

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpheus

there is also another "trick" to get the targets estimated speed...

when reporting a convoy, you can read the estemated speed from the radio log ... this can be considered as "cheating", but so what.

08-29-09, 01:38 PM	#1
abchirk Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 12 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Hi, I read those posts when you posted it... but for any reason I am not able to post a message here when using firefox under windows... so, thx for all those nice hints... I think I got an idea for those techniques now and I think I know what I am doin now.. the rest should be fine tuning and a lot of training. So, but I also miss not moving boats sometimes... when I set bearing it is better to add 2-3 to the actual bearing, correct? Because the torpedo just runs 10metres before he "bears" right to target? 2cnd. How can I add a spread angle to a single torp? I can't set it, its frozen the thing for that on right side in attack map. 3rd When target is moving which bearing I have to set... where do I see it or where should it be after my calculations? The actual bearing position of target, correct? Thank you in advance Last edited by abchirk; 08-30-09 at 03:02 AM.

08-30-09, 03:05 AM	#2
abchirk Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 12 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	well, here I am again, I would have post yesterday. But as I said I can't post here under windows?` Ok, after I figured out what angle on bow means... my torpedoes hitting up to 80% Eh and with the spread angle, I'll just take another bearing for the other torpedoes. and to third.. I asked this because I failed always on angle on bow... so I just have to put in actual data.. My next question would be, why I don't see the torpedo course in attack map when I activated the mod AOB?

08-30-09, 04:31 PM	#3
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	1. It is best to let the computer figure it out. Best way to hit not moving boats is to turn the submarine to face the target. If the torpedo does not have to make a turn then it cannot miss. If you must shoot a torpedo that turns, make sure range is correct in TDC. The TDC figures out how much to turn the torpedo. 2. You can't. Spread angle is angle between multiple torpedoes. With one torpedo it can only go one direction. 3. You always have to set bearing to target, this is how the torpedo knows where to go even for stationary target. With a moving target you must set "AoB" which is the direction the target is moving from your point of view as well as the speed.

09-02-09, 02:12 AM	#5
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	Negative. Range matters a great deal even against a stationary target. If you have TDC data Range: 1100yd Bearing: 056° Speed: 0 kt and the target is actually Range: 4300yd Bearing: 056° Speed: 0 kt You will miss.

09-22-09, 11:43 AM	#7
Morpheus Ensign Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 234 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	there is also another "trick" to get the targets estimated speed... when reporting a convoy, you can read the estemated speed from the radio log ... this can be considered as "cheating", but so what. torpedo fireing from a german uboat in sh4 is bugged anyways, when playing stock, so take any advantage you can get. i play with the "map update" feature and fire directely from the attack map view. it's like shooting fish in a barrel. i never miss. maby that changes with mods like operation moonsun. i will have a try on that soon. cheers morph