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[Shadow9216]

They have permission to use the mods included in their payware.
That is my understanding. Show me actual proof they do not

I think the focus is shifting a bit. The accusation is that they do not have permission, it is up to them to show they do. There is proof X1 has included non-original work in their mod. Since others have claimed these were "pirated", the proof would be on X1's side to establish their "right" to these works.

Were this a court, as it may well end up, the plaintiff/prosecution would lay out a case against X1, charging them with attempting to sell materials they don't own. Let's avoid any emotionally charged language, any inflammatory rhetoric and leave it at that. Simplistic, but even handed.

The plaintiff/prosecution would have to show X1 is willfully marketing a product, not their own, without permission.
So far, it has been shown that not all content in X1's expansion is of their own manufacture.

X1 would, in turn, have the right to confront the witnesses and evidence against them. In this case, they merely need to show permission from the modders whose works have been included.

I'm honestly asking if this has been done? You claim they have done this, this is your understanding, yet turn around and demand proof. In the sense of fairness and even tempered handling, I would like to see proof that they have/had permission. Either a written declaration, or the modders themselves posting here.

As I said, I will wait for "all" the facts but I dare any of you in the KKK style mob to make a claim if found wrong you will be as vocal in your apology as in your Kristalnacht rampage before the facts.

You say you will wait for all the facts, what else is still remaining, in your opinion? You're satisfied with X1's explanation, are you asking for further proof that the mods were included without permission?

BTW, as an American AND one who has spent his adult life working for various government agencies to oppose groups like the KKK, I do take exception to your comments above. This situation seems tense enough as is, we don't need to accuse each other of membership in such an odious organization.

I will make you this promise. If it can be proven, beyond reasonable doubt, that X1 had permission from the modders in question prior to this story breaking, I will sound my apology on this forum loud and clear. I had asked in my earlier posts to be proved wrong by them, in fact I was hoping to be proven wrong, that they would come forth and say "here's what we're using and here's the permission". They didn't have to tip their hand and detail everything in the mod, since I'm sure there was plenty of their own original content; I would have been satisfied with a simple "we used Pato's mod, Observer's mod, X/Y/Z's mod with their permission"...that would have established their bona fides quite simply.

They chose instead silence, subterfuge, mockery as their responses.

Wulfmann, there are two things I would respectfully request of you. Number one is to refrain from ordering people to "shut up", regardless of the condition you place upon the request. That's not only rude, but it supports the totalitarian mind set you accuse others of having. Number two would be to not resort to comparisons of the sort you have engaged in. The Klan, like the Nazis, represent for many people that which is least desirable in humanity. I doubt you intended such a slur, but that is what you did. For those of us who have seen their villany, and attempt to combat it on a daily basis, such comparisons are very unappreciated. I'm sorry, but I cannot think of an appropriate mechanism to carry my sense of indignation at such a comment.