Why primary care doctors are fed up

roman2440 · 08-25-09, 11:28 AM

I don't agree with the doctor at all. When I read his commentary all I see is some whiney little b***h who thinks he's underpaid. Look at how he writes that his compensation is only in the hundreds, BS. This is some california doctor that is upset that he isn't making the same pay grade as some of big suit patients he has.

There is one aspect of his complaint that I do agree with, though. And thats those people who choose to ignore their doctor's advice and instead trust their fears and what they read online about their 'condition'. People are driven by fear, its a common staple through life if you want to sell something, you sell it by planting fear of not having it. When most people go online to read about their symptoms they are going to focus on the items that they fear the most, which are usually going to be those rather rare corner cases that they really shouldn't be worrying about. But they really need to realize they are going to the expert and if the expert calls it something, he's more than likely right.

PeriscopeDepth · 08-25-09, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by roman2440

I don't agree with the doctor at all. When I read his commentary all I see is some whiney little b***h who thinks he's underpaid. Look at how he writes that his compensation is only in the hundreds, BS. This is some california doctor that is upset that he isn't making the same pay grade as some of big suit patients he has.

He has a point though. Nobody is becoming a GP any more because you can make twice as much money with half as much of a workload in other specialities. It is kind of a problem if there are no GPs around.

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Onkel Neal · 08-25-09, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by roman2440

I don't agree with the doctor at all. When I read his commentary all I see is some whiney little b***h who thinks he's underpaid. Look at how he writes that his compensation is only in the hundreds, BS. This is some california doctor that is upset that he isn't making the same pay grade as some of big suit patients he has.

I disagree, I see no reason to label him whiney just because he feels he is underpaid. He's a doctor. They do not grow on trees, not everyone has the stuff to do it. Try letting your mechanic install a heart valve on you

Doctors should be highly paid.

Aramike · 08-25-09, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I disagree, I see no reason to label him whiney just because he feels he is underpaid. He's a doctor. They do not grow on trees, not everyone has the stuff to do it. Try letting your mechanic install a heart valve on you

Doctors should be highly paid.

Not to mention the extraordinary cost of med school...

Platapus · 08-25-09, 04:48 PM

Considering that if he is like my GP, he will only see each patient for about 15 minutes max. At $55.00 per patient, if he can keep the waiting room filled that is $220.00 per hour.

And that does not include the kickbacks he gets from tests, prescriptions, and the stuff they push to sell you.

Not exactly poverty wages.

Forgive me for not crying a river for this guy.

It is the PAs and the NPs that collect the data, document the information, and perform the treatment. The doctor pops his head in the examination room for a few moments and gives out with the highly educated, highly trained medical council -- "let's try this drug. See me in three weeks and we can try something else".

Gee 8 years of medical school and I get "let's try this drug'?

PeriscopeDepth · 08-25-09, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Considering that if he is like my GP, he will only see each patient for about 15 minutes max. At $55.00 per patient, if he can keep the waiting room filled that is $220.00 per hour.

And that does not include the kickbacks he gets from tests, prescriptions, and the stuff they push to sell you.

Not exactly poverty wages.

Forgive me for not crying a river for this guy.

It is the PAs and the NPs that collect the data, document the information, and perform the treatment. The doctor pops his head in the examination room for a few moments and gives out with the highly educated, highly trained medical council -- "let's try this drug. See me in three weeks and we can try something else".

Gee 8 years of medical school and I get "let's try this drug'?

YMMV I guess. I've always been very happy with my GP. Very consultative, makes an effort to make sure I understand what's happening. But the fact is that he invested just as much time, energy, and money into his medical career (and any medical career requires gobs and gobs of that stuff) as say an orthopaedic surgeon. And makes half as much money while working more hours. If he wanted to make more money, his incentive would be to get people in and out the door as fast as possible and prescribe tons of drugs from drug companies that have bribed him enough. But my GP clearly hasn't gone this route.

I don't think my GP should make more money, I just think other specialities should make less to make sure GP will always attract a good amount of young doctors.

PS: I actually listened to a radio program about this a month ago. Here it is if you have any interest in it:
http://www.opb.org/thinkoutloud/show...-in-the-house/

PD

Task Force · 08-25-09, 05:53 PM

pfff.... for some of the crap doctors do they dont deserve the money... most of them are quacks anyway... just want to give everyone a pill to fix everything...

(please note im not talking about all doctors...)

Onkel Neal · 08-25-09, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Considering that if he is like my GP, he will only see each patient for about 15 minutes max. At $55.00 per patient, if he can keep the waiting room filled that is $220.00 per hour.

And that does not include the kickbacks he gets from tests, prescriptions, and the stuff they push to sell you.

Not exactly poverty wages.

Forgive me for not crying a river for this guy.

It is the PAs and the NPs that collect the data, document the information, and perform the treatment. The doctor pops his head in the examination room for a few moments and gives out with the highly educated, highly trained medical council -- "let's try this drug. See me in three weeks and we can try something else".

Gee 8 years of medical school and I get "let's try this drug'?

That's not my doctor

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Originally Posted by Task Force

anyway... I thought doctors were surspose to be concerned about there paitents, not lineing there pockets...

Oh sure, and you and me work at our jobs because we like to see the company succeed, not for our paycheck

Task Force · 08-25-09, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

That's not my doctor

lol, you have a doc thats awnser to everything isnt PILLS!!!! PILLS!!!!:rotfl:

Task Force · 08-25-09, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Oh sure, and you and me work at our jobs because we like to see the company succeed, not for our paycheck

yea.... but in the medical buisness id think the paitents should come first... if I was a doctor I would... Its only right...

Onkel Neal · 08-25-09, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

yea.... but in the medical buisness id think the paitents should come first... if I was a doctor I would... Its only right...

You definitely should become a doctor. You can start tomorrow, let us know which medical schools you are applying to.

Task Force · 08-25-09, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

You definitely should become a doctor. You can start tomorrow, let us know which medical schools you are applying to.

well... see I already am sey up!!!:rotfl:

roman2440 · 08-25-09, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I disagree, I see no reason to label him whiney just because he feels he is underpaid. He's a doctor. They do not grow on trees, not everyone has the stuff to do it. Try letting your mechanic install a heart valve on you

Doctors should be highly paid.

Even doctors have a ceiling for their value.

I've worked with a lot of guys that have been underpaid. I've seen a lot of different approaches to whining about pay. The language this doctor is using is deja vu. The kind of language he is using I've only ever seen used by guys that only think about money and who over value themselves. People who truely deserve a pay increase don't speak in the same manner.

Task Force · 08-25-09, 06:04 PM

anyway... I thought doctors were surspose to be concerned about there paitents, not lineing there pockets...

08-25-09, 06:21 PM

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Not to mention the extraordinary cost of med school...

Which taxpayers subsidise .
Both the medical students and the medical schools themselves get federal grants.
Don't ya just hate it when someone else is taking your money.

08-25-09, 04:48 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,428 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Considering that if he is like my GP, he will only see each patient for about 15 minutes max. At $55.00 per patient, if he can keep the waiting room filled that is $220.00 per hour. And that does not include the kickbacks he gets from tests, prescriptions, and the stuff they push to sell you. Not exactly poverty wages. Forgive me for not crying a river for this guy. It is the PAs and the NPs that collect the data, document the information, and perform the treatment. The doctor pops his head in the examination room for a few moments and gives out with the highly educated, highly trained medical council -- "let's try this drug. See me in three weeks and we can try something else". Gee 8 years of medical school and I get "let's try this drug'? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-25-09, 05:53 PM	#7
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	pfff.... for some of the crap doctors do they dont deserve the money... most of them are quacks anyway... just want to give everyone a pill to fix everything... (please note im not talking about all doctors...) __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time" Last edited by Task Force; 08-25-09 at 07:20 PM.

08-25-09, 06:04 PM	#14
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	anyway... I thought doctors were surspose to be concerned about there paitents, not lineing there pockets... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

08-25-09, 11:28 AM	#1
roman2440 Seaman Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 32 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I don't agree with the doctor at all. When I read his commentary all I see is some whiney little b***h who thinks he's underpaid. Look at how he writes that his compensation is only in the hundreds, BS. This is some california doctor that is upset that he isn't making the same pay grade as some of big suit patients he has. There is one aspect of his complaint that I do agree with, though. And thats those people who choose to ignore their doctor's advice and instead trust their fears and what they read online about their 'condition'. People are driven by fear, its a common staple through life if you want to sell something, you sell it by planting fear of not having it. When most people go online to read about their symptoms they are going to focus on the items that they fear the most, which are usually going to be those rather rare corner cases that they really shouldn't be worrying about. But they really need to realize they are going to the expert and if the expert calls it something, he's more than likely right.