Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest - Page 3

August · 08-19-09, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachstar

The thugs diddn't "overplay" their hand when they rammed through the Patriot Act at record speed through congress

By "thugs" you must mean the majority of Congressional Democrats who voted for the act right?

1480 · 08-19-09, 12:37 PM

My two sheckles on this whole thing: the rifle is being used as a "sign." Nothing more nothing less. Kind of like PETA with their enlarged photos depicting an act of cattle slaughter. Wont faze some but may shock others. He wasn't breaking any municipal, state or federal laws that I am aware of. As to what his message was, not sure, but I have a hard time of interpreting "modern" art too.

Aramike · 08-19-09, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachstar

The thugs diddn't "overplay" their hand when they rammed through the Patriot Act at record speed through congress.

Never NEVER underestimate what hysteria can do to a populace. Failure to understand that ended up with insane laws and insane policies enacted before. (And no not just in the Bush years)

Of course hopefully the worst that will come of this is every little balled copycat will want to come packing to show what a so called badass second amendment defender he/she is.

I'm still waiting for an American to cite an instance where the Patriot Act directly affected them and violated their civil rights.

The Patriot Act has turned into the biggest leftist straw man argument in history.

nikimcbee · 08-19-09, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1480

My two sheckles on this whole thing: the rifle is being used as a "sign." Nothing more nothing less. Kind of like PETA with their enlarged photos depicting an act of cattle slaughter. Wont faze some but may shock others. He wasn't breaking any municipal, state or federal laws that I am aware of. As to what his message was, not sure, but I have a hard time of interpreting "modern" art too.

I'll play devil's advocate; so you don't see him as a potential threat? (I'm curious of your opinion since you're a po-lice officer)

Tchocky · 08-19-09, 12:52 PM

Not illegal, doesn't make it a great idea though. It just doesn't send a peaceful message.
So in short, bring all the guns you like, but expect to be asked why.

SteamWake · 08-19-09, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Not illegal, doesn't make it a great idea though. It just doesn't send a peaceful message.
So in short, bring all the guns you like, but expect to be asked why.

By Golly I agree with Tchocky on something... except I would say "Please leave the guns at home or at least in the car. It just sends the wrong message."

Tchocky · 08-19-09, 01:14 PM

Aye, SteamWake, I just say bring them anyway in order to avoid the tiresome "this ain't illegal, I know the law, you don't!" argument sure to follow

Bringing a gun to protest does exactly the opposite to what's intended - I take the protester a lot less seriously.

Aramike · 08-19-09, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Aye, SteamWake, I just say bring them anyway in order to avoid the tiresome "this ain't illegal, I know the law, you don't!" argument sure to follow

Bringing a gun to protest does exactly the opposite to what's intended - I take the protester a lot less seriously.

Maybe you do, but guess what - that protester got tons of more coverage than someone who's just holding a sign ... considering that the idea of protest is to start a dialogue, his tactic has worked.

Most people aren't foolish enough to equate the lunatic fringe with the merits of any argument - meaning, we're all talking about how nutty this guy is while at the same time, we are all in some way thinking (and talking even) about gun rights.

SteamWake · 08-21-09, 11:15 AM

Do not deny Steamwakes instincts... proven correct again.

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During the segment on CNN, Rick Sanchez said, "the more we look into this, the more it appears that it was really planned." Hancock concurred: "Oh, it's more planned than you think." In addition to scheduling the interview, Hancock had also informed the local police force.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_262559.html

SteamWake · 08-21-09, 10:08 PM

Bumpity cause its relevant

1480 · 08-21-09, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I'll play devil's advocate; so you don't see him as a potential threat? (I'm curious of your opinion since you're a po-lice officer)

Sure do perceive as a threat, if he was in my neck of the woods..... ole boy would have not made it three steps out of his car before he would become a new member of Chalkie 2016.

Neptunus Rex · 08-22-09, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

He brought an AR-15. Semi-auto all the way. But again the media labeled it an assault weapon. I feel the same way Platapus.

The media (and gun control/ban proponents) incorrectly considers any gun that automatically chambers the next round an "assault" weapon, including hand guns, both sliding bolt and revolvers.

Schöneboom · 08-22-09, 04:23 PM

In addition to "exercising their rights", these guys were most certainly sending another political message. IMHO, the subtext of greeting the President with guns goes something like, "We the People are still capable of overthrowing our tyrannical government -- by force if necessary."

However, I think an insurrection by riflemen could "liberate" at most a few isolated patches of the country, esp. given government infiltration of the militias. The essential ingredients for a violent Second American Revolution are (fortunately) still missing: i.e., a charismatic leader who can pull together all the anti-government factions, and a high-level military conspiracy supporting a coup d'etat.

Having studied the Spanish Civil War in detail for several years, I'd definitely say it is not the scenario that any sane person should hope for. But the increasing polarization of left vs. right -- and the coarsening of political debate into name-calling -- could easily lead to a spiral of violence & repression.

Let us hope that cooler heads prevail.

Ciao,
Wayne

August · 08-22-09, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Schöneboom

IMHO, the subtext of greeting the President with guns

But they didn't even get near the President let alone greet him.

Schöneboom · 08-22-09, 10:49 PM

Pardon me, I didn't expect anyone to take that phrase quite so literally. I think it's understood that these men were outside the venue and brought their guns out esp. for the occasion -- and we may assume the Secret Service informed the President. So it was not strictly necessary that they be seen directly by him for their message to get across.

08-19-09, 12:37 PM	#32
1480 Lead Slinger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chitcago, Illinoise Posts: 1,442 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	My two sheckles on this whole thing: the rifle is being used as a "sign." Nothing more nothing less. Kind of like PETA with their enlarged photos depicting an act of cattle slaughter. Wont faze some but may shock others. He wasn't breaking any municipal, state or federal laws that I am aware of. As to what his message was, not sure, but I have a hard time of interpreting "modern" art too. __________________

08-19-09, 12:52 PM	#35
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Not illegal, doesn't make it a great idea though. It just doesn't send a peaceful message. So in short, bring all the guns you like, but expect to be asked why. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

08-19-09, 01:14 PM	#37
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Aye, SteamWake, I just say bring them anyway in order to avoid the tiresome "this ain't illegal, I know the law, you don't!" argument sure to follow Bringing a gun to protest does exactly the opposite to what's intended - I take the protester a lot less seriously. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

08-21-09, 10:08 PM	#40
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Bumpity cause its relevant __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

08-22-09, 04:23 PM	#43
Schöneboom Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 651 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	In addition to "exercising their rights", these guys were most certainly sending another political message. IMHO, the subtext of greeting the President with guns goes something like, "We the People are still capable of overthrowing our tyrannical government -- by force if necessary." However, I think an insurrection by riflemen could "liberate" at most a few isolated patches of the country, esp. given government infiltration of the militias. The essential ingredients for a violent Second American Revolution are (fortunately) still missing: i.e., a charismatic leader who can pull together all the anti-government factions, and a high-level military conspiracy supporting a coup d'etat. Having studied the Spanish Civil War in detail for several years, I'd definitely say it is not the scenario that any sane person should hope for. But the increasing polarization of left vs. right -- and the coarsening of political debate into name-calling -- could easily lead to a spiral of violence & repression. Let us hope that cooler heads prevail. Ciao, Wayne __________________ Dietrich Schöneboom, U-431 "Es wird klappen, Herr Kaleun. Ganz sicher."

08-22-09, 10:49 PM	#45
Schöneboom Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 651 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Pardon me, I didn't expect anyone to take that phrase quite so literally. I think it's understood that these men were outside the venue and brought their guns out esp. for the occasion -- and we may assume the Secret Service informed the President. So it was not strictly necessary that they be seen directly by him for their message to get across. __________________ Dietrich Schöneboom, U-431 "Es wird klappen, Herr Kaleun. Ganz sicher."