Ubisoft announces Silent Hunter 5

[Red Devil]

Only raiders like the Michel boarded and captured shipping. U Boats did not have the crew or facilities.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Red Devil

Only raiders like the Michel boarded and captured shipping. U Boats did not have the crew or facilities.

Yeah. Boarding is a WW1 thing.

[TarJak]

Let's hope it can live up to some of the expectations in the community.

[Red Devil]

Originally Posted by Beery

Yeah. Boarding is a WW1 thing.

do you mean U boat wise? Maybe so, I have not researched WW1, not my field. Boarding in WW2 was done frequently, The Dunedin boarded the Hannover, and it became the aircraft carrier audacity; Graf Spree boarded its prizes. Thor and Michel their prizes. etc .........

[141st_Alper]

Guys what about U-boat Types? I think there will be Type IX D2 and Type VII C/41 submarines. But im wonder if we can get XVII Walther submarine, it would be very good

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Red Devil

do you mean U boat wise? Maybe so, I have not researched WW1, not my field. Boarding in WW2 was done frequently, The Dunedin boarded the Hannover, and it became the aircraft carrier audacity; Graf Spree boarded its prizes. Thor and Michel their prizes. etc .........

I mean U-boat-wise. U-boats boarded ships in WW1. In WW2 they boarded ships in the first year or so when they had reason to, but as the environment got more deadly with threats from the air and from the merchant ships themselves, the U-boats couldn't afford to stick around long enough to do it anymore.

Raiders, of course, boarded ships all the time in both world wars. They usually had the firepower that allowed them to do it. U-boats did not - not after merchant ships started arming themselves.

[Red Devil]

Thanks Beery. I also slightly mistook boarding for 'boarding and removing to Germany', my fault. They are two different things.

[THE_MASK]

How about some sobers mods for SH5

[Red Devil]

I'm not quite sober right now, will I do

[Furia]

Looks very interesting and inmersive.

However I already feel dissapointed because no mention to the possibility of having a real surface human manned Destroyer, the same mistake than in Silent Hunter III and IV.
I am sick of sinking AI boats.
I want to have an updated version of SH II vs Destroyer Command.
That was what brought real life to tounaments, online activity, Flotillas ect..
Don't the people of Ubi sees that????

To have a sim winner they need to make a real fully controllable surface sim to go against the subs.

Extra graphics and some niceties are always welcomed but I feel that negating the MP possibilities to this sim before it is even born (MP vs AI is a boring joke and same goes for Destroyer control such Silent Hunter IV )

I hope somebody in UBI recognice that if this sim has its surface counterpart, we would be talking of THE NAVAL SIM for the next years and not just a graphics enhanced expansion.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Furia

I already feel dissapointed because no mention to the possibility of having a real surface human manned Destroyer...

Why does this keep coming up? This is a submarine game, not a destroyer game.

The thing is, they tried to bring destroyers into the mix a few years ago with Destroyer Command (a standalone game that was meant to tie in with Silent Hunter 2). It was so unpopular/worked so badly that no developer ever tried it again. That's not a reason never to try it again, but it does indicate that such a game is not all that popular and is probably never going to be a big moneymaker.

The big problem with a destroyer game is that most destroyers went through the war with not a single sub contact. Added to this, the vast majority of destroyer crews had more danger from uncharted rocks than they did from submarines (one of my uncles died while serving on a destroyer - he never saw a submarine and was killed by a rock off the Scilly Isles). A game tends to lack just a bit of tension and fun if the player knows that the odds are all on his side and that the game's major threat is more likely to be an inanimate land mass than an enemy crew.

Destroyer Command was a stand-alone game. It was not an integral part of SH2. Player-controlled destroyers have no place in a sub game. If Ubisoft, or anyone else, ever makes a destroyer game, I'd be all for it assuming they could somehow counteract the problems I've mentioned above. But in my view SH5, SH6, SH7, SH8 and every SH thereafter should be focused on the submarine experience.

Heck, developers have enough trouble just getting more subs in these games. We've yet to see a British or Japanese sub in a game like this. Once developers manage to get a few more sub types into the game, then maybe we can talk about including player-controlled destroyers.

[Sonarman]

Originally Posted by Beery

Added to this, the vast majority of destroyer crews had more danger from uncharted rocks than they did from submarines (one of my uncles died while serving on a destroyer - he never saw a submarine and was killed by a rock off the Scilly Isles). A game tends to lack just a bit of tension and fun if the player knows that the odds are all on his side and that the game's major threat is more likely to be an inanimate land mass than an enemy crew.
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That's the kind of detail that actually makes things interesting and more not less challenging, a mere error in navigation can get you killed just as easily as an enemy torpedo. I remember a game called Operation Spruance on the Amiga where you were actually issued with a printed nautical chart of the Persian Gulf and if you had such an error you knew about it as you died right away. It upped the tension and realism in that game enormously and was also a brilliantly clever anti-piracy tool.

I think we do need a new surface sim DC failed not because people didn't want a destroyer sim but because DC and SH were simply bad games the AI was very bad, the multiplayer didn't work and the graphics were substandard. SH had a sales history DC did not, so we get more SH and no more DC.

I Think that if a new DC got the SHIII makeover treatment and tied into SHV it would indeed be a winner. And it's something I for one would definitely buy.

[Furia]

Originally Posted by Beery

Why does this keep coming up? This is a submarine game, not a destroyer game.

The thing is, they tried to bring destroyers into the mix a few years ago with Destroyer Command (a standalone game that was meant to tie in with Silent Hunter 2). It was so unpopular/worked so badly that no developer ever tried it again. That's not a reason never to try it again, but it does indicate that such a game is not all that popular and is probably never going to be a big moneymaker.

The big problem with a destroyer game is that most destroyers went through the war with not a single sub contact. Added to this, the vast majority of destroyer crews had more danger from uncharted rocks than they did from submarines (one of my uncles died while serving on a destroyer - he never saw a submarine and was killed by a rock off the Scilly Isles). A game tends to lack just a bit of tension and fun if the player knows that the odds are all on his side and that the game's major threat is more likely to be an inanimate land mass than an enemy crew.

Destroyer Command was a stand-alone game. It was not an integral part of SH2. Player-controlled destroyers have no place in a sub game. If Ubisoft, or anyone else, ever makes a destroyer game, I'd be all for it assuming they could somehow counteract the problems I've mentioned above. But in my view SH5, SH6, SH7, SH8 and every SH thereafter should be focused on the submarine experience.

Heck, developers have enough trouble just getting more subs in these games. We've yet to see a British or Japanese sub in a game like this. Once developers manage to get a few more sub types into the game, then maybe we can talk about including player-controlled destroyers.

Don't you get tired of fighting AI convoys and destroyers???
Do you think it is realistic on the MP matches from the STOCK SHIII and SH IV that players got Hundres of thousands of tons without a scratch??

I have been playing Naval Sims since the first Silent Hunter many many years ago and I surey know quiet well what Destroyer Command was, actually I was on the team of 4 players that won Subsim Winter Tournament in 2004 with SH II and DC, by the way Destroyers won

My point is that on actual sims, multiplayer is very important and fighting AI no matter how wel scripted is BORING.
To have a REALLY GOOD SUBMARINE GAME you need the capability to fight human players, not AI.
I love submarine sims, but just graphics it is not enough for me, I want real battles and fighting smart captains with creative tactics.

I remeber the times of SHII and DC and Subsim was full of tournaments, Flotillas, competitions........
What do we have now?? Scripted campaings against predictable AI???

My question is "what is wrong to have that possibility? Does it harm the "submarine game" in anyway? Why to fight against it?