Russia Declassifies Naval Encounters with UFOs/USOs

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Rilder

Yeah like alien's can get here in a reasonable time.

That is a good point, however, remember that traveling 100 lightyears
distance may take 150 years in a very, very fast vehicle, but that is a 150
years from a stationary perspective. It's much less time for the people in
the vehicle as time slows down for you as you move very fast.

If you can move just below light speed then a journey of 1000 light years
distance will take very, very little time for the people traveling at such
speed. The only inconvenience being that over 1000 years time will have
passed from the relatively stationary starting position.

So long as you can accelerate fast enough and reach a near-light speed;
you can go anywhere in the universe within any time (say an hour).
The price to pay is that your relatively static start point will have had
many, may years pass in your high speed hour.


Ed: I don't mean this as an argument for the existance of alien UFOs.

[Steel_Tomb]

Interesting ... at least the Russians have released some of their "unexplained" sitings over the years.

One thing that bugs me is whenever someone mentions UFO's everyone just goes "little green men from mars lolz" . I believe that is a very naive perspective on the universe. The sheer size of the universe is so impossibly huge that we can not even begin to attempt to comprehend its scale. We are one solar system, in one galaxy... which in itself has billions of star systems, which is just one galaxy amongst millions if not billions of galaxies...

And we are to believe that we are the only example of intelligent life? We are a very young species, there is nothing to say that in the long life of the universe there isn't a species or many species that may have cracked quantum physics and created machines capable of bridging the immense distances between the stars. Wormholes/Warp drive are all sound theories, we just don't have the technical prowess or knowledge to create them... perhaps somone out there has?

One thing that would puzzle me, is why would such an advanced race even want to come to this backwater planet (if they have)? We are pretty barbaric still, killing each other for petty little things like money or power.. we can't even mix with each other properly because we believe in make-belief God's or don't like the colour of their skin, whilst killing the very planet we live on because it would "cost" too much to impliment the drastic changes to our economies and lifestyles...

We have quite a way to go before I think someone would stop and take notice of us...



PS: And before anyone asks, there are no green men on Mars... its a dead world the only chance of finding life would be frozen bacteria in the polar regions.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

Interesting ... at least the Russians have released some of their "unexplained" sitings over the years.

One thing that bugs me is whenever someone mentions UFO's everyone just goes "little green men from mars lolz" . I believe that is a very naive perspective on the universe. The sheer size of the universe is so impossibly huge that we can not even begin to attempt to comprehend its scale. We are one solar system, in one galaxy... which in itself has billions of star systems, which is just one galaxy amongst millions if not billions of galaxies...

And we are to believe that we are the only example of intelligent life? We are a very young species, there is nothing to say that in the long life of the universe there isn't a species or many species that may have cracked quantum physics and created machines capable of bridging the immense distances between the stars. Wormholes/Warp drive are all sound theories, we just don't have the technical prowess or knowledge to create them... perhaps somone out there has?

One thing that would puzzle me, is why would such an advanced race even want to come to this backwater planet (if they have)? We are pretty barbaric still, killing each other for petty little things like money or power.. we can't even mix with each other properly because we believe in make-belief God's or don't like the colour of their skin, whilst killing the very planet we live on because it would "cost" too much to impliment the drastic changes to our economies and lifestyles...

We have quite a way to go before I think someone would stop and take notice of us...



PS: And before anyone asks, there are no green men on Mars... its a dead world the only chance of finding life would be frozen bacteria in the polar regions.

I do not believe in extra-terrestrials. I also do not believe in god. However, it strikes me as odd that many of those who so vehemently scorn the belief in a creator-god are the same who so ardently support the belief in extra-terrestrials. This, I find amusing due to the fact that they both rely on the same logic to support their claims:

1. It is impossible to conceive that the universe, with it's infinite vastness, plethora of matter, and abundance of potential sources of energy, is home to but one intelligent species.

and

2. It is impossible to conceive that the world, with it's numerous specialized and codependent species, food chains, and water and climate cycles formed singularly by chance.

In truth, there is little evidence to support either claim, and most of that which exists is observational. Both support their stands by citing a few individuals who claim that 'I saw something'. In this, it makes the testimony of a pilot claiming that he saw a UFO little different than an old woman claiming to have seen the Virgin Mary in a Pop Tart. For both camps, belief really stems from the fact that they want to believe, and little more.

[TDK1044]

I have no doubt that UFOs exist. I saw one in the Summer of 1990 from a distance of a couple of hundred feet. No way to prove it though.

But as anyone who has really seen one of these things will tell you....It doesn't matter what anyone thinks or says. The experience, and the memory of it, will raise the hairs on the back of your neck 20 years later.

[SteamWake]

I have no doubt that there is life out there other than just on earth the odds are simply in that favor. To think we are the only intellegent life in the universie is folly.

But if 'they' were advanced enough to cross 100's or 1,000's of light years why the hell would they come to earth? Maybe because its pretty?

[geetrue]

Larry King has a show coming out this month on CNN about UFO's

I don't think this show is just a money making show it is a news show that has us all intrested in the truth.The truth of what really happened in Montana back in the 60's and 70's.

These things have not been proven to be real, but the results of what they do is very real and they didn't just crawl up out of the sea a few billion years ago either. (at least not our sea lol)

http://www.mtpioneer.com/2009-July-UFO.html

Larry King Live to Air Malmstrom UFO Mystery

One Air Force document declassified in 1977 reveals that sev-eral UFOs maneuvered near a number of Minuteman missile sites outside of Malmstrom AFB in Novem-ber 1975. Some of the objects, which alternately hovered and flew around at high velocity, were also tracked on radar and chased by jet fighters. One UFO was reported by missile security personnel to have an “orange white disc” appearance. These incidents occurred six years after the

Air Force ended Project Blue Book—its “definitive” UFO investigation—claiming there was no evidence UFOs posed a threat to national security.Another incident occurred in 2006, according to Ryan Riewer of Conrad, now a student at the University of Montana.In a telephone interview, according to Hasting’s report published in the March 2009 issue of the Montana Pioneer, Riewer said “I live on a farm nearly three miles east of Conrad. On December 7, 2006, I was driving home from work at around 10:30 at night. I was on Sollid Road, probably a mile away from our house, when I saw this light out of the corner of my eye, coming from the southwest. It was the fastest thing I've ever seen. It came racing up almost to the road. It stopped dead for a moment, then took off at a 90-degree angle to where it came from. It went southeast, over a hill on the horizon. A couple of seconds later, it came racing back toward me. Then it began to slow down and descended toward the ground at an angle. When it was about fifty feet up, the light shut off. It looked like it landed about a half-mile, or maybe a mile, from our house. That was really, really weird.”

Hastings asked Riewer if there was a missile site in the area where the UFO apparently landed. Somewhat surprised by the question, Riewer confirmed that was indeed the case. Other documentation of such sightings in central Montana result from an investigation conducted by the Cascade County Sheriff’s Department in 1975.

A now-declassified USAF document, according Hastings, states that “Reports
of unidentified flying objects which affect national security...are not a part of the Blue Book system.” “Of course, the American public was never officially informed of this fact,” Hastings said in a recent press release in advance of his Larry King Live appearance, “which only became known after the document's release years later.”

Researchers now have evidence, he says, that national security-related UFO inci-dents, including the missile base cases, were actually investigated by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI) and various counter-intelligence groups.For the Larry King program, Hastings will be given an oppor-tunity to present testimony from former or retired U.S. Air Force personnel he has interviewed who were involved in one or more UFO incidents at nuclear missile sites over the years.

According to those sources, which include launch officers, targeting officers and maintenance personnel, two officers having served near Malmstrom, missiles malfunctioned on a number of occasions at different bases during the 1960s and 70s as UFOs were sighted hovering above their underground silos and launch control facilities. Had nuclear war with the Soviet Union erupted during any of those incidents, Hastings said, the affect-ed missiles, displaying what the Air Force calls a “Guidance and Control No-go” error, would have sat useless in their silos.

Another bizarre incident chronicled by Hastings was reported by former Minuteman missile launch officer David H. Schuur, who was stationed at Minot Air Force Base, North Dakota, in the mid-1960s. According to Schuur, late one night, a UFO actually activated most of the ten missiles he controlled. At the time, as he told Hastings, he was in the underground Echo Flight Launch Control Capsule receiving frantic calls from missile security guards topside, who were reporting an extremely bright object in the sky which rapidly moved from missile to missile, briefly hovering over each one. As the UFO lingered, that particular missile's “Launch in Pro-gress” button suddenly lit up on the control panel in the capsule.

Schuur states that he had to quickly press an "Inhibit" circuit button to override the launch command apparently being sent to each missile by the UFO. Schuur told Hastings he does not know whether the missiles would have actually launched had he not disrupted their countdown sequence, because several other “spurious indi-cators” had simultaneously appeared on his missile-readiness display panel.

Significantly, a nearly identical incident occurred in Soviet Ukraine, October 4, 1982, according to two retired Soviet Army officers interviewed by ABC News in 1994. The reporter, David Ensor, later worked at CNN as Chief National Security Correspondent.King has invited various other notable guests on the program to support the claim that UFOs are a real phenomenon,De Brouwer is a retired Belgian Air Force general who publicly announced, on June 22, 1990, that the BAF had flown numerous UFO-intercept missions in 1989 and 1990. Some of the UFOs were tracked on radar performing maneuvers that would have destroyed any known aircraft, De Brouwer said.Edgar Mitchell is a former NASA Apollo astronaut who walked on the moon. He has recently stated that the U.S. government knows UFOs exist and are extraterrestrial.

Debunker Bill Nye will also appear on the show, originally scheduled to air July 3, but then rescheduled to air later in the month or in August.Hastings has researched the UFO-nuke connection since 1973 and been invited to speak at over 500 U.S. colleges and universities. He is the author of UFO and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites (see ufohastings .com). His upcoming Larry King Live appearance marks his second on the popular cable TV talk show.

[Steel_Tomb]

Originally Posted by Letum

That is a good point, however, remember that traveling 100 lightyears
distance may take 150 years in a very, very fast vehicle, but that is a 150
years from a stationary perspective. It's much less time for the people in
the vehicle as time slows down for you as you move very fast.

If you can move just below light speed then a journey of 1000 light years
distance will take very, very little time for the people traveling at such
speed. The only inconvenience being that over 1000 years time will have
passed from the relatively stationary starting position.

So long as you can accelerate fast enough and reach a near-light speed;
you can go anywhere in the universe within any time (say an hour).
The price to pay is that your relatively static start point will have had
many, may years pass in your high speed hour.


Ed: I don't mean this as an argument for the existance of alien UFOs.

Letum, I thought it was impossible to actually reach the speed of light? If I remember correctly, Einstein put in his law of relativity that you can reach 99% the speed of light but to reach the speed of light the amount of energy required to do so would infinately increase the closer you got to the speed of light... thus making it impossible to go that fast. Hence why people have been theorizing about wormholes and warp drive where you bend space around you instead of travelling through it conventially. From what you wrote I get the impression you can actually go faster than light... am I barking up the wrong pulsar or something here?

Of course I believe that Non-Human Sentient life forms exist, I just doubt they are visiting earth.