Das Boot... questions??

GoldenRivet · 07-28-09, 09:08 PM

they are 2 seat trainers

pictured below are the T6 Texan (bottom formation) and the "Texan II" the current basic trainer

Flippo84 · 07-29-09, 05:52 AM

In late 1941 the "happy times" were over. Convoys were much better protected by ASW escort vessels, as you can recognize yourself, when playing GWX.

Another point is, when watching the movie, you always can get an idea of how deep they dive. When evading from destroyers, they just hit the 200m mark one time. In this situation they get hit by DC badly and have to blow ballast to come up and stop the water running into the boat. Most of the time, performing evasive maneuvers, the boat runs at 120 - 160m depth. In these areas it's quite possible to get picked up by ASDIC, even in '41.

Ok, you can say that this kind of evasion is unprofessional. I wouldn't order "all stop" and silent running, while being at 120m only, after the destroyer pinging me several times. Also the destroyers in the film are very good at aiming the dc's. They seem to hit nearly every run.

But, as far as I know, the film was produced among the advice of several u-boat war veterans. I think I remenber Jürgen Oesten was involved in the project. In my opinion, these influences award the film with the great atmosphere of realism.

Further more I think, that most commanders didn't feel very good while hitting the red area on the depth indicator. They didn't struggle with long loading times of SH III, but with the instinct to survive and responsibility for the men. They didn't order 240m before getting a new coffee and mock on the destroyer commander on the surface

PappyCain · 07-29-09, 05:58 AM

"Even though the beginning and the end of the film occur in the port of La Rochelle, it does not correspond historically. The submarine base in La Rochelle was not functional before November 1941, and at the time of the film the port was dried up.[2] Moreover, none of the British fighter-bombers of late 1941 to early 1942 had the range to bomb La Rochelle from bases in the U.K.; however, it is possible the fighters were carrier-based and not land based. While Saint-Nazaire was the base used in the novel, the film was changed to La Rochelle because its appearance had not changed to such a large degree in the years following World War II."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Boot

Commander Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock (December 11, 1911 – April 18, 1986) was a German naval officer, and a submarine commander during World War II. He was among the top ten Aces of the Deep during the Second Battle of the Atlantic against the Allies, in terms of tonnage of merchant ships sunk. He commanded four subs, most notable and successful of which was his tour commanding the U-96, a Type VII U-boat, which gained large recognition when one of its patrols was documented and publicized by an accompanying war correspondent Lothar-Günther Buchheim. It eventually would be made into a mini-series and film called Das Boot, where he was portrayed by Jürgen Prochnow. He was a consultant on the movie and on the set.

Jimbuna · 07-29-09, 08:05 AM

A really great film....watched it many times.

One thing I always notice though....

During the heavy storm which lasts for 3 weeks, you can see clear blue sky above the U-Boat.

Hanomag · 07-29-09, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PappyCain

"Even though the beginning and the end of the film occur in the port of La Rochelle, it does not correspond historically. The submarine base in La Rochelle was not functional before November 1941, and at the time of the film the port was dried up.[2] Moreover, none of the British fighter-bombers of late 1941 to early 1942 had the range to bomb La Rochelle from bases in the U.K.; however, it is possible the fighters were carrier-based and not land based. While Saint-Nazaire was the base used in the novel, the film was changed to La Rochelle because its appearance had not changed to such a large degree in the years following World War II."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Boot

Commander Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock (December 11, 1911 – April 18, 1986) was a German naval officer, and a submarine commander during World War II. He was among the top ten Aces of the Deep during the Second Battle of the Atlantic against the Allies, in terms of tonnage of merchant ships sunk. He commanded four subs, most notable and successful of which was his tour commanding the U-96, a Type VII U-boat, which gained large recognition when one of its patrols was documented and publicized by an accompanying war correspondent Lothar-Günther Buchheim. It eventually would be made into a mini-series and film called Das Boot, where he was portrayed by Jürgen Prochnow. He was a consultant on the movie and on the set.

This was more along the lines of what I was thinking.
I read up on Lorient and it wasnt bombed til 43 of course thats just wiki. Ya La Rochelle was probably different. I just think they should have made the movie time period a little later. Its still the best U-boat movie made IMHO.

BulSoldier · 07-29-09, 10:10 AM

I have watched the 293min version 2-3 times i think.In the book i am at the moment where they are all asleep while waiting for the darkness and repairing the boot.
My question is not really related to the uboatwar, but - have anyone found the theme from the gibraltar scene when all hell brakes loose ? I cant find it anywhere.

Indiana_Jones · 07-29-09, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BulSoldier

My question is not really related to the uboatwar, but - have anyone found the theme from the gibraltar scene when all hell brakes loose ? I cant find it anywhere.

You mean the music?

I think it's on my LP.

BulSoldier · 07-30-09, 01:34 AM

Yes i cant find the music from the gibraltar scene.

msalama · 07-30-09, 02:11 AM

Das Boot is brilliant entertainment, but I really wouldn't put too much value on it as a historical document. IIRC there was even a group of U-bootwaffe sailors who wrote a book contradicting most of the events Buchheim claimed as true, and AFAIK many historians have refuted his views as well. So take Das Boot for what it is, i.e. one of the greatest war movies and / or books ever made, but that only

That said I really have to read / watch it again pretty soon, it's been a while already...

Indiana_Jones · 07-30-09, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BulSoldier

Yes i cant find the music from the gibraltar scene.

Well going by my LP listing the track you seek is "U 96"

07-28-09, 09:08 PM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	they are 2 seat trainers pictured below are the T6 Texan (bottom formation) and the "Texan II" the current basic trainer __________________

07-29-09, 05:58 AM	#3
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"Even though the beginning and the end of the film occur in the port of La Rochelle, it does not correspond historically. The submarine base in La Rochelle was not functional before November 1941, and at the time of the film the port was dried up.[2] Moreover, none of the British fighter-bombers of late 1941 to early 1942 had the range to bomb La Rochelle from bases in the U.K.; however, it is possible the fighters were carrier-based and not land based. While Saint-Nazaire was the base used in the novel, the film was changed to La Rochelle because its appearance had not changed to such a large degree in the years following World War II." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Boot Commander Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock (December 11, 1911 – April 18, 1986) was a German naval officer, and a submarine commander during World War II. He was among the top ten Aces of the Deep during the Second Battle of the Atlantic against the Allies, in terms of tonnage of merchant ships sunk. He commanded four subs, most notable and successful of which was his tour commanding the U-96, a Type VII U-boat, which gained large recognition when one of its patrols was documented and publicized by an accompanying war correspondent Lothar-Günther Buchheim. It eventually would be made into a mini-series and film called Das Boot, where he was portrayed by Jürgen Prochnow. He was a consultant on the movie and on the set. __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html

07-29-09, 08:05 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,742 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A really great film....watched it many times. One thing I always notice though.... During the heavy storm which lasts for 3 weeks, you can see clear blue sky above the U-Boat. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

07-29-09, 10:10 AM	#6
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I have watched the 293min version 2-3 times i think.In the book i am at the moment where they are all asleep while waiting for the darkness and repairing the boot. My question is not really related to the uboatwar, but - have anyone found the theme from the gibraltar scene when all hell brakes loose ? I cant find it anywhere. __________________ By the hour !

07-30-09, 01:34 AM	#8
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Yes i cant find the music from the gibraltar scene. __________________ By the hour !

07-29-09, 05:52 AM	#2
Flippo84 Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 8 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	In late 1941 the "happy times" were over. Convoys were much better protected by ASW escort vessels, as you can recognize yourself, when playing GWX. Another point is, when watching the movie, you always can get an idea of how deep they dive. When evading from destroyers, they just hit the 200m mark one time. In this situation they get hit by DC badly and have to blow ballast to come up and stop the water running into the boat. Most of the time, performing evasive maneuvers, the boat runs at 120 - 160m depth. In these areas it's quite possible to get picked up by ASDIC, even in '41. Ok, you can say that this kind of evasion is unprofessional. I wouldn't order "all stop" and silent running, while being at 120m only, after the destroyer pinging me several times. Also the destroyers in the film are very good at aiming the dc's. They seem to hit nearly every run. But, as far as I know, the film was produced among the advice of several u-boat war veterans. I think I remenber Jürgen Oesten was involved in the project. In my opinion, these influences award the film with the great atmosphere of realism. Further more I think, that most commanders didn't feel very good while hitting the red area on the depth indicator. They didn't struggle with long loading times of SH III, but with the instinct to survive and responsibility for the men. They didn't order 240m before getting a new coffee and mock on the destroyer commander on the surface

07-30-09, 02:11 AM	#9
msalama Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In an octopus's garden Posts: 565 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Das Boot is brilliant entertainment, but I really wouldn't put too much value on it as a historical document. IIRC there was even a group of U-bootwaffe sailors who wrote a book contradicting most of the events Buchheim claimed as true, and AFAIK many historians have refuted his views as well. So take Das Boot for what it is, i.e. one of the greatest war movies and / or books ever made, but that only That said I really have to read / watch it again pretty soon, it's been a while already...