F-22 - a plane you won't go to war with?

Zachstar · 07-21-09, 01:18 PM

Congress has voted to stop production of the F-22.

Now is the time for the military to get even more serious about drones. A flock of drones is better than any F-22.

bookworm_020 · 07-21-09, 05:07 PM

IF you want to see a battle of tech verses utility, just look at the B-1 v B-52

The B-52 is projected to still be in service after the B-1 is retired. The B-52 is slower, has a radar sig that is similar to a large building, and is hardly state of the art and yet it keeps on going.

Maybe the answer is some hi tech for high risk situations, and low tech for low risk situations???

Buddahaid · 07-21-09, 09:01 PM

That's stop production after the current 187 ordered are filled.

Buddahaid

SUBMAN1 · 07-21-09, 09:41 PM

People are so short-sighted. The F-22 is the only aircraft in our inventory that can go up against SAAB Gripen, EF2000, Rafael, SU-30, SU-35, SU-37, S-37, S-47, and any future variant of the SU.

As already been proven, our guys in India's SU-30's mopped up the sky again our guys in everything from F-15 to F-16. There is nothing America flies that can take on the SU-30 and win hands down except F-22.

When the S-37 goes into production (It has already been approved to go into production), the F-35 will already have its work cut out for it. Only the F-22 will make short work of it.

Anyway, these idiots in Congress think that all the wars we will ever fight will be stupid wars like Afghanistan or Iraq. Get real! Unless the US plans to take over the world politically, we are going to have a rude wake up call someday.

These idiots in Congress think that 5000 dead in Iraq is a lot. What happens when that is 5000 aircraft and you have none left to fight a war?

What should I expect from my latest government anyway? They drop a trillion that they don't have at the drop of a hat. Short sighted freaks. I mean, they have a $800 billion defense budget on the table, and they are squabbling over 0.1% of it for something that we need, and then trying to make it sound like they did a big thing by saving SO MUCH MONEY! Crazy.

The people get the Government they deserve. How this is proving so true.

-S

Zachstar · 07-21-09, 11:48 PM

Then give up. If you think its the government we deserve then feel free to leave politics.

SUBMAN1 · 07-21-09, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Then give up. If you think its the government we deserve then feel free to leave politics.

Are you for real? It is my duty to vote for what is right for everyone. Evil is the absence of good. What you are asking me to be evil. That is something I cannot oblige.

-S

Max2147 · 07-22-09, 12:12 AM

Congress shouldn't be overriding the SecDef and The Pentagon on defense matters, so in that way I'm glad to see this vote. The folks in Congress who were trying to save the F-22 weren't concerned for our national defense, they just saw it as another pork barrel project for their district.

That said, I still think Gates got this one wrong. I have an enormous amount of respect for Gates, and I think he's really worked wonders to repair all the damange that Rumsfeld did at The Pentagon, but this is one area where I think he's wrong. He's putting a lot of responsibility on the F-35, and I don't like that. The F-35 is an overly compromised design that's pretty good at a lot of things, but not really great at anything.

However, it's worth noting that this would have happened even if the last election had gone the other way. I imagine McCain would have also kept Gates on, and McCain was very much against the F-22. He publicly backed Obama in trying to get production stopped.

VipertheSniper · 07-22-09, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

It is my duty to vote for what is right for everyone.

-S

So essentially you're saying you know all the answers to every problem, since you seem to know what's right for everyone.

Zachstar · 07-22-09, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Are you for real? It is my duty to vote for what is right for everyone. Evil is the absence of good. What you are asking me to be evil. That is something I cannot oblige.

-S

Then stop with the "get the gov we deserve" bull then. Its insulting. As for voting? There is no vote underway. It isn't 2010. And for evil? I could care less what you view not going around sounding like a fool saying junk like that.

There is no new currently useless F-22s orders. Big whoop in the face is massive strides in drone efforts that are actually saving lives in CURRENT wars. Not to mention the huge advantages gained from being able to lose a drone without losing a great amount of funds or battle resources.

07-21-09, 01:18 PM	#1
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Congress has voted to stop production of the F-22. Now is the time for the military to get even more serious about drones. A flock of drones is better than any F-22. __________________

07-21-09, 05:07 PM	#2
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	IF you want to see a battle of tech verses utility, just look at the B-1 v B-52 The B-52 is projected to still be in service after the B-1 is retired. The B-52 is slower, has a radar sig that is similar to a large building, and is hardly state of the art and yet it keeps on going. Maybe the answer is some hi tech for high risk situations, and low tech for low risk situations??? __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

07-21-09, 09:41 PM	#4
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	People are so short-sighted. The F-22 is the only aircraft in our inventory that can go up against SAAB Gripen, EF2000, Rafael, SU-30, SU-35, SU-37, S-37, S-47, and any future variant of the SU. As already been proven, our guys in India's SU-30's mopped up the sky again our guys in everything from F-15 to F-16. There is nothing America flies that can take on the SU-30 and win hands down except F-22. When the S-37 goes into production (It has already been approved to go into production), the F-35 will already have its work cut out for it. Only the F-22 will make short work of it. Anyway, these idiots in Congress think that all the wars we will ever fight will be stupid wars like Afghanistan or Iraq. Get real! Unless the US plans to take over the world politically, we are going to have a rude wake up call someday. These idiots in Congress think that 5000 dead in Iraq is a lot. What happens when that is 5000 aircraft and you have none left to fight a war? What should I expect from my latest government anyway? They drop a trillion that they don't have at the drop of a hat. Short sighted freaks. I mean, they have a $800 billion defense budget on the table, and they are squabbling over 0.1% of it for something that we need, and then trying to make it sound like they did a big thing by saving SO MUCH MONEY! Crazy. The people get the Government they deserve. How this is proving so true. -S __________________ Last edited by SUBMAN1; 07-21-09 at 11:14 PM.

07-21-09, 11:48 PM	#5
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Then give up. If you think its the government we deserve then feel free to leave politics. __________________

07-21-09, 09:01 PM	#3
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,325 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	That's stop production after the current 187 ordered are filled. Buddahaid

07-22-09, 12:12 AM	#7
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Congress shouldn't be overriding the SecDef and The Pentagon on defense matters, so in that way I'm glad to see this vote. The folks in Congress who were trying to save the F-22 weren't concerned for our national defense, they just saw it as another pork barrel project for their district. That said, I still think Gates got this one wrong. I have an enormous amount of respect for Gates, and I think he's really worked wonders to repair all the damange that Rumsfeld did at The Pentagon, but this is one area where I think he's wrong. He's putting a lot of responsibility on the F-35, and I don't like that. The F-35 is an overly compromised design that's pretty good at a lot of things, but not really great at anything. However, it's worth noting that this would have happened even if the last election had gone the other way. I imagine McCain would have also kept Gates on, and McCain was very much against the F-22. He publicly backed Obama in trying to get production stopped.