You sure they're dead?!

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

That second shot they were just shooting at corpses! Government waste at all levels

Actually, they destroyed the mortartube. But still, waste.

[Platapus]

I found some of the comments on the linked site rather disturbing.

[Jimbuna]

Looked like a thorough job to me

[mr chris]

Good to see some insurgents getting what they deserve.

[Stealhead]

A missile hit its target a burst of 30mm some will hit some will keep going maybe hitting innocent people(it is very accurate 30mm but dont forget that the shells will keep going right through a human body and then hit someones house or what ever behind the hell fire will hit the tube blow it to bits and kill anyone within a few meters but no further.).What do you think is better?Also as FLIR quality is reduced by the military so that you cant see the true details there should be a read out on the screen somewhere a read out that shows the range someone with an anti-war view could also have scrubbed this out to further thier veiw.
Destroying the insurgetnts abilty to destabilze is worth the missile it damn sure would be if you might be on the reciving end of that mortor.

Take look at the 20mm of a SuperCobra herethe clip name is wrong this is a SuperCobra gun sight):
And some apache 30 mike mike(this clip is very clear but not what an un scrubbed viedo would look like also note that the chopper is hovering being a very stable gun platform):
This one at the end will show you that in a moving Apache the 30mm will have a high scatter:

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

A missile hit its target a burst of 30mm some will hit some will keep going maybe hitting innocent people...

It's going to keep going all of about 3ft before it hits the ground at that angle.

I see little wrong with the use of missiles here.
I imagine that the 30mm would give enough time for at least one of the
targets to run, even if they didn't notice the heli after it closed in to use
the cannon.

The risk to civilians seams minimal. Especially in the case of the second
missile as I expect any one in the area has ducked or run after the first.

[Stealhead]

I see that you did not look at the clips in several it very clear that the 30mm shells go far past a mere 3 feet.
And you are not going to "duck" a 30mm burst come on.Run run run!
As you can see stuff is not as accurte as hollwood will lead you to belive but they still got let down by ducking and running.

Check the last target he goes 30 ft in the air I bet!:

You are right the roofs in the area do have shell holes and such emplying that any civilains have vacated.Though if you look around you can find viedos
where Apache crew will not attack a knwon target if he should go into a structor to which occupancy is unknown.They have taken advantage of that in the past and forced people to stay in homes so we cant use airpower.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Actually, they destroyed the mortartube. But still, waste.

that mortar tube will never fire on allied troops again.

no waste seen from my perspective.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

that mortar tube will never fire on allied troops again.

no waste seen from my perspective.

And what if the building right next to it would've been not so strong and would have collapsed from the 2 blasts, possibly burying civvies under it?

Would you still say it wasnt a waste?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Dowly

And what if the building right next to it would've been not so strong and would have collapsed from the 2 blasts, possibly burying civvies under it?

Would you still say it wasnt a waste?

and i suppose the two men carrying the mortar tube take the care to consider "civvies" in their exploits?

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

and i suppose the two men carrying the mortar tube take the care to consider "civvies" in their exploits?

Right on.Like I said they have 0 concern as to the harm thier actions could cause a non-combatant.The mortar is more likely to kill innocent people and destroy thier property than a hellfire any day of the week but they dont care at all.In fact it apperas to be thier goal to try as hard as possiable to get innocent people hurt.While ours is to try as best as possiable to avoid this we ae not perfect but Id rather support the side who trys to avoid innocent deaths than compare them in same light as the side the enjoys the idea of killing innocent people people of thier same relgion no less.(though the insurgents and such have a gross version of Islam)

[Letum]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

and i suppose the two men carrying the mortar tube take the care to consider "civvies" in their exploits?

That's hardly a justification for someone else not considering civvies.


Although I see no significant threat to civvies here.

[heartc]

Yeah, Let's GO! Let us all critizise our soldiers, who were on the spot there, for maybe conducting...tandadamm...OVERKILL!...tadamm, from our comforty chairs in our rooms in front of our monitors!!! So that we can feel like very concerned and morally aware individuals, unlike those rude bastard soldiers!! Because in the end, it was this kind of armchair moralist crap that drove the Nazi ideology from Europe and into oblivion, right? Right, it wasn't the people who were actually there, wading through machine gun fire - it were some moralist a$$holes sitting in their chairs several thousand miles away, giving their opinion on every single shot!

Hey, do you even KNOW what "TALIBAN" MEAN? I know a female Doctor who comes from there, no, who FLED from there after her family was BUTCHERED by the Taliban, you pathetic dreamers. Do you KNOW what kind of ideology the Taliban *pressed* unto the people there? Can you even imagine to what pityfull existance the Taliban fundamentalist dictatorship reduced the people to, and especially the women? Do you even CARE?
No. What you care about is whether 9/11 was an inside-job and whether some gunshots, Hellfire or Tow missile was over-kill!

I say OVERKILL THE TALIBAN ANY DAY. TWICE. You won't win the "hearts and minds" of the people there, who are totally living in fear of the Taliban, until you destroy the Taliban ANYWHERE and TOTALLY.

You couldn't land on the beaches of Normandy in 1944 with the pretext of winning the "hearts and minds" of the Germans, and neither can you do so in Afghanistan, until those who are the reason why you went there in the first place are TOTALLY DESTROYED, because THEY OWN the hearts and minds through fear, violence and force.

[Dowly]

Jeebus, take a chill-pill will you?

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Jeebus, take a chill-pill will you?

What he lacks in eloquence he makes up for in shouting.