Cloak of Silence - Stealth tech not for aircraft, but for submarines this time around

The technology needs another three to five years before a "practical structure" can be developed for wide-scale testing.

If its all what it claims to be and it is seeing the light of day now I suspect it is already in use.

[Frame57]

"Silence is golden"

[Jimbuna]

The Klingons have been using this technology for years

On a serious note: Unless overcome, the giveaway will be when opening hatches etc. prior to an offensive weapon/missile launch.

[Rhodes]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The Klingons have been using this technology for years

From 2273 I think, let me check my Klingon history book.

I liked this comments from the news site:

"Several submarines have collided in the past but with this new tech it'll be double the fun. "

And this one:

"If a two subs collide in the ocean and no one survives to hear it, does it make a sound?

If both are cloaked in silence, I guess not.

If one of those two subs carries a nuclear warhead, then I'd say, sure, everyone will hear it!"

[SteamWake]

A little off topic but this is what always bothered me about the movie Hunt for Red October.

Here the russians spent millions of dollars and thousands of man hours on a super secret 'stealth' propulsion system "undectectable" yet a seaman figures out how to track it within a few hours using the gear they already had on the boat.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

A little off topic but this is what always bothered me about the movie Hunt for Red October.

Here the russians spent millions of dollars and thousands of man hours on a super secret 'stealth' propulsion system "undectectable" yet a seaman figures out how to track it within a few hours using the gear they already had on the boat.

Get used to this being the fate of Russian equipment in American fiction. They are intrinsically inferior. If they aren't some stupid "American ingenuity" would beat them anyway.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Get used to this being the fate of Russian equipment in American fiction. They are intrinsically inferior. If they aren't some stupid "American ingenuity" would beat them anyway.

LOL

[joegrundman]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

A little off topic but this is what always bothered me about the movie Hunt for Red October.

Here the russians spent millions of dollars and thousands of man hours on a super secret 'stealth' propulsion system "undectectable" yet a seaman figures out how to track it within a few hours using the gear they already had on the boat.

yeah, you just got to roll with those sorts of blows in Clancy books.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I think I'd be bothered if I was on a Boomer and suspected a Hunter Killer was nearby listening out for me

this is not the problem. The cloaking device will not affect passive sonar at all. It will curve active sonar around the hull.

So it will have a bigger effect on active sonar homing torpedoes and helos trying to finish off the sub long after initial detection, and also giving the submarine a much better chance to get away.

This because most vessels rely on passive for inital detection, although i remember reading that due to the increased quitness of modern submarines, general use of active is increasing.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by joegrundman

yeah, you just got to roll with those sorts of blows in Clancy books.



this is not the problem. The cloaking device will not affect passive sonar at all. It will curve active sonar around the hull.

So it will have a bigger effect on active sonar homing torpedoes and helos trying to finish off the sub long after initial detection, and also giving the submarine a much better chance to get away.

This because most vessels rely on passive for inital detection, although i remember reading that due to the increased quitness of modern submarines, general use of active is increasing.

Joe knows more than he's telling ... I can tell you one thing when another nuc passes you all you can hear is a hissing sound. You need sound frequecy detection gear to analize the source to tell what country she's from.

You woudn't believe how much noise a boomer makes. Not a watch would go by without hearing one of those big walk in freezer doors being slammed while sitting on sonar or even one time the diesel boat I was on had a crew members tape player grounded to the hull and the destroyer above making request for songs to be played.

This was forty years ago of course, but crews have to learn to be more careful especially when your life is on the line.

It's those pesky ASW planes with mad detection that will get you every time unless you hear him first and try to wiggle away with a deep all out run that is.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Frame57

"Silence is golden"

[AVGWarhawk]

[AVGWarhawk]

On a serious note: Unless overcome, the giveaway will be when opening hatches etc. prior to an offensive weapon/missile launch.

Yeah, but Jim, if you are close enough to open a hatch and let a missile go to do it's damage it is over for the receivers of said missile. At that point, it does not matter if they know you are there.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yeah, but Jim, if you are close enough to open a hatch and let a missile go to do it's damage it is over for the receivers of said missile. At that point, it does not matter if they know you are there.

I think I'd be bothered if I was on a Boomer and suspected a Hunter Killer was nearby listening out for me

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I think I'd be bothered if I was on a Boomer and suspected a Hunter Killer was nearby listening out for me

Me too! I believe they still play those cat and mouse games these day.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

The technology needs another three to five years before a "practical structure" can be developed for wide-scale testing.

If its all what it claims to be and it is seeing the light of day now I suspect it is already in use.

In the other direction, they might spend 20 years trying to chase this wild goose down. Somewhere at the 5 year mark, someone will decide this wouldn't work. By 10 years those voices will become audible. About 20 the developers give up.