To Hiroshima with a camera. And mines?

Task Force · 06-16-09, 01:17 PM

Theres enemy mines. but you cant lay mines...

I dont think they would send a sub to recon there.

Stealhead · 06-16-09, 01:21 PM

I dont know Hiroshima had a huge Mitsubishi complex there it was a pretty vital hub of industry and I do belive that there was a modest size naval port there as well.

Unless someone mods it in for US subs you cant lay mines and theyed be boring anyway seeing as you lay them and leave in real life there is no way to get credit. Besides minelaying was not done very often by Us navy subs in combat zones.You loose torpedos whe you carry mines.Better to have a sub as a directly offensive weapon.

Inner Sound · 06-16-09, 04:43 PM

Theres enemy mines. but you cant lay mines...

I dont think they would send a sub to recon there.

Thanks Task Force, I didn't think so either, but would love to learn of a heroic in and out that actually happened. A Gunther Prien with mines.

Stealhead: Mines are a good weapon of naval war - you can use them in defence of course, but also in offense. In later stages of WW2 British subs laid crippling minefields up some important SE Asian commerce rivers.

How to integrate into SH? Dunno. Shoelaces bamboozle me.

Stealhead · 06-16-09, 05:10 PM

This is ture but you have to think of the effect a mision of mine laying vs. a mission of using tropedos to strike. For the crew of a ship they are going to have a higher morale when they have gone to battle stations and destroyed a ship or two they see the direct result of thier work and they know they have harmed the enemy.For a military unit it is posative on morale to know for certain that you have caused harm to the enemy.Aslo mine laying by submarine was very dangerous it was possiable that the sub set off the mine by accident during the laying process.

If you go and lay mines yes you know that some of them may sink something but you are not going to directly witness your work and the mines in WWII had no control so they blew up on anything that came near them enemy or not and mines can also come loose from thier moorings and drift away and end up being a threat to your own submarines.

Mines are very good for defensive aera denial roles in waters your own navy controls adn can therefore maintian the mines. A down side with mines is that the enemy can send mine sweepers into an area they suspect is mined and if they do a good job they will find most of them. A torpedo on the other hand can not be cleared you either avoid one coming at you or you dont.

I belive that OPMONSON has some U-boats with mine laying ability.the idea of going all the way to x point loaded fully or mostly with mines to lay sounds sort dull to me(mostly because there is no true strategic ship lose effect in SH4(in other words after you lay the mines and leave when you complete the mission they wont "be" where you layed them and wont really have any effect) but if you like that idea then I suppose it would be fun. I guess you could lay them infront of an oncoming ship or convoy but in real life they had to be set at a ceratin deapth so if the water was very deep theyd do nothing but sink.

Torplexed · 06-16-09, 07:41 PM

Probably the most awesome mining weapon the US possessed was the B-29 Superfortress bomber. Some 900 mines were laid by them in early 1945 in a campaign called 'Operation Starvation'. It's impact was as dramatic as it's name. The Japanese were as short of minesweepers as they were carriers and battleships by then. The Shimononseki Waterway was closed to shipping for a fortnight, prompting a 50% fall in imports in addition to what damage the subs were already doing. In all, B-29s dropped 12,000 sea mines, which accounted for 63% of all Japanese shipping losses during their period of participation.

Historically, US subs pretty much kept out of major Japanese anchorages until late in the war when mine detection equipment was finally fitted.

Inner Sound · 06-16-09, 09:02 PM

"Historically, US subs pretty much kept out of major Japanese anchorages until late in the war when mine detection equipment was finally fitted."

Smart move. Most British sub losses were from mines. Or space aliens. No one really knows.

It's 3am here. Time for bed.

Stealhead · 06-16-09, 10:55 PM

Well a mine placed with killing a sub in mind can be highly effective. mines land or sea are much like a machinegun set up in a sighted zeroed fixed postion. Anyone worth thier salt is going to place them in certain areas to deter action in fact on land you can use the mines to force the attacker into your machineguns. They could set the mines so that they would get set off by a submerged submarine that is very effective as a sub now has to take risks when he is a possiable mine feild he had to stay on the surface and take his luck with planes spotting him if he dove he may hit a mine.

06-16-09, 01:17 PM	#1
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06-16-09, 01:21 PM	#2
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I dont know Hiroshima had a huge Mitsubishi complex there it was a pretty vital hub of industry and I do belive that there was a modest size naval port there as well. Unless someone mods it in for US subs you cant lay mines and theyed be boring anyway seeing as you lay them and leave in real life there is no way to get credit. Besides minelaying was not done very often by Us navy subs in combat zones.You loose torpedos whe you carry mines.Better to have a sub as a directly offensive weapon.

06-16-09, 04:43 PM	#3
Inner Sound Sparky Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 152 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Theres enemy mines. but you cant lay mines... I dont think they would send a sub to recon there. Thanks Task Force, I didn't think so either, but would love to learn of a heroic in and out that actually happened. A Gunther Prien with mines. Stealhead: Mines are a good weapon of naval war - you can use them in defence of course, but also in offense. In later stages of WW2 British subs laid crippling minefields up some important SE Asian commerce rivers. How to integrate into SH? Dunno. Shoelaces bamboozle me.

06-16-09, 05:10 PM	#4
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	This is ture but you have to think of the effect a mision of mine laying vs. a mission of using tropedos to strike. For the crew of a ship they are going to have a higher morale when they have gone to battle stations and destroyed a ship or two they see the direct result of thier work and they know they have harmed the enemy.For a military unit it is posative on morale to know for certain that you have caused harm to the enemy.Aslo mine laying by submarine was very dangerous it was possiable that the sub set off the mine by accident during the laying process. If you go and lay mines yes you know that some of them may sink something but you are not going to directly witness your work and the mines in WWII had no control so they blew up on anything that came near them enemy or not and mines can also come loose from thier moorings and drift away and end up being a threat to your own submarines. Mines are very good for defensive aera denial roles in waters your own navy controls adn can therefore maintian the mines. A down side with mines is that the enemy can send mine sweepers into an area they suspect is mined and if they do a good job they will find most of them. A torpedo on the other hand can not be cleared you either avoid one coming at you or you dont. I belive that OPMONSON has some U-boats with mine laying ability.the idea of going all the way to x point loaded fully or mostly with mines to lay sounds sort dull to me(mostly because there is no true strategic ship lose effect in SH4(in other words after you lay the mines and leave when you complete the mission they wont "be" where you layed them and wont really have any effect) but if you like that idea then I suppose it would be fun. I guess you could lay them infront of an oncoming ship or convoy but in real life they had to be set at a ceratin deapth so if the water was very deep theyd do nothing but sink.

06-16-09, 07:41 PM	#5
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Probably the most awesome mining weapon the US possessed was the B-29 Superfortress bomber. Some 900 mines were laid by them in early 1945 in a campaign called 'Operation Starvation'. It's impact was as dramatic as it's name. The Japanese were as short of minesweepers as they were carriers and battleships by then. The Shimononseki Waterway was closed to shipping for a fortnight, prompting a 50% fall in imports in addition to what damage the subs were already doing. In all, B-29s dropped 12,000 sea mines, which accounted for 63% of all Japanese shipping losses during their period of participation. Historically, US subs pretty much kept out of major Japanese anchorages until late in the war when mine detection equipment was finally fitted.

06-16-09, 09:02 PM	#6
Inner Sound Sparky Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 152 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	"Historically, US subs pretty much kept out of major Japanese anchorages until late in the war when mine detection equipment was finally fitted." Smart move. Most British sub losses were from mines. Or space aliens. No one really knows. It's 3am here. Time for bed.

06-16-09, 10:55 PM	#7
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well a mine placed with killing a sub in mind can be highly effective. mines land or sea are much like a machinegun set up in a sighted zeroed fixed postion. Anyone worth thier salt is going to place them in certain areas to deter action in fact on land you can use the mines to force the attacker into your machineguns. They could set the mines so that they would get set off by a submerged submarine that is very effective as a sub now has to take risks when he is a possiable mine feild he had to stay on the surface and take his luck with planes spotting him if he dove he may hit a mine.