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Let's sit still, be a hole in the water and listen for a while. and most important: stay out of Iranian inner politics. Any interference whatever can only make things worse. Let them settle their affairs (but hold them responsible for their choices).
I perceived a split in Iran like the one I saw in Turkey. In the big cities, Mussawi probably was strong. But in the rural places, when I was there, nationalistic and clerical conservatives were the strong majority. Although I see it from a perspective from the early to mid-90s. Things may have changed due to the isolation and the failed youth "rebellion" in the 90s (which brought both moderate and extremist young people to the streets of the cities). I haven't been there since then. Anyway, the president should not be overestimated anyway, for this simple reason: ![]() "Waiting for the new president"
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Waiting for a new president :rotfl:
The Mullah's run the show anyhow. The election is a sham.
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I see no reason to suspect vote rigging.
As SB rightly said, Mussawi may have had a core in the affluent new thinkers in the cities-modern, but in rural areas and the city-old there hasn't been much change since the last election. Why should there have been? If the news here made the Mussawi support look big, it is only because Ahmadinejad supporters arn't news anymore.
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If this election was rigged, I doubt it would be by Ahmadinejad, but rather by the Mullah's.
They obviously have a tight grip on the reigns of power and find it much easier to mould and control Ahmadinejad in their ways than they would have been able to with Mussawi. |
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He is one of the Mullah's.
Mullah is " an educated Muslim trained in religious law and doctrine and usually holding an official post "
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Still though...four more years with this guy?!
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At least it wont me the same old. Now he's gonna have nukes.
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Mussawi made very precise statements over observers being chased out of polling stations and counters at the last moment being replaced by unlegitimised foreigners nobody had seen before. He also pointed out that incredibly short time after the stations closed, almost 8 million votes were claimed to have already been counted - which in the Iranian counting system would not be possible after such an unbelievable short time.
I fear the accusation that the elections had been rigged, has quite some substance. Currently, occasional gunfire is to be heared in Teheran. I am not sure that there will be relections, though. I tend towards a No on that question. The controversial figure for the Mullahs is not Mussawi himself, but his wife.
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Somewhat true, but he's basically above your average member in terms of authority because he's seen as one of the most distinguished members (due in part to several reasons, including extreme devotion to the Moslem faith, an expert amount of knowledge on the Qur'an, and also having passed and proven himself worthy through a few tests).
Think of him as their version of a really high ranking cardinal. He's not exactly like a pope, however, since he's not a Grand Ayatollah. That would go to Khamenei (he's the supreme Iranian leader). |
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090614...t-a7ad41d.html
Some more information on the election, by jamming foreign media aren't they basically confessing their guilt in their actions? Isn't it against some sort of treaty to jam civilian satellites?
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The problem with this whole situation, for me, is that it's impossible to know what to believe. News reports coming out of Tehran about massive protests, suspected vote-rigging, do not necessarily convince me. It's possible the people want a new leader and the opposition carried the most votes...but it would not shock me if the yahoo Akmadeenajad (sp) they currently have won a majority and the losing party is trying to overthrow him in the street. Who knows?
Britian and the US violated the most holy of democratic principles once before with Iran. I hope we learned our lesson.
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