VLS - Is it possible?

[treblesum81]

Also, polyfiller, were you saying that by remapping everything I've caused it to start CTDing, or that because I did that, it should be working?

[treblesum81]

One last question for the moment: does SHIV have a debug mode, or at least is there a way to find out the cause of the crashes? I'm using Windows 7 (could be part of the problem, but SH4 runs clean in it so I doubt it) which, unfortunately, doesn't readily provide information about what caused the ctd. If I could find out where the conflict is, I could much more easily determine the solution...

Any thoughts?
Greg

[polyfiller]

Sorry - by remapping ID's I meant that by doing so you should avoid crashes i.e. if you don't remap Id's (more than own ID the same in the .dat or .sim file can cause CTD's).

Sadly there is no debug mode I've been able to find.

Given what you say about the verticle node settling to the horizontal, I reckon you're flogging a dead horse here. There is a controller for torpedo launching (torpedo_eject.dat) but this doesn't look to have anything about launch angle and given the reference in it to @torpedo_eject, I reckon that the reference is hard coded i.e. if you do change this, it will efect all torpedoes.

If you want to persist with the duplicate aligned "ghost" node, start with a basic node, import the 3d model, with NO OTHER nodes attached to it, then load the game - this should work, if it doesn't then what you're trying doesn't fly. If it does load, begin to add some nodes and see what happens.

As I said before good luck ... I have a vested interest in this being figured out - I want destroyers in the TSWSM to launch their torps sideways and not for/aft.

[treblesum81]

Originally Posted by polyfiller

Given what you say about the verticle node settling to the horizontal, I reckon you're flogging a dead horse here. There is a controller for torpedo launching (torpedo_eject.dat) but this doesn't look to have anything about launch angle and given the reference in it to @torpedo_eject, I reckon that the reference is hard coded i.e. if you do change this, it will efect all torpedoes.

If you want to persist with the duplicate aligned "ghost" node, start with a basic node, import the 3d model, with NO OTHER nodes attached to it, then load the game - this should work, if it doesn't then what you're trying doesn't fly. If it does load, begin to add some nodes and see what happens.

After what I've learned in my investigations, I can tell you that the torpedo_eject.dat is only the effect of the bubbles and sound that plays when the torpedo is launched out of the tube and has nothing to do with the actual firing of the torpedo.

Also, I keep running to this problem with silent 3ditor where if I create a second primary node and then try to place a 3D Model child chunk into it, it refuses to make the parent child association and simply places it on the same level. Can you tell me if this is something I'm doing wrong, or something inside of S3D that is not working correctly, or even if its doing something right and you just can't do that?

Some more messing under my belt since the last bit of writing here... I've tried just adding a new node into the existing structure, which leads also to a CTD. As a result, I firmly believe that I'm not doing something correct in the process leading to dangling ends in the data that are causing the CTDs. Aside from adding a node and naming it, what else is required to make that function without issue? I've added the entries into the sim file for the new torpedo tube and doors, but what else needs to change? Do I also need to go into the various upc and cfg files to make alterations? Are there other parts of the dat/sim/zon/etc. structure that I need to change as well?

Finally, is there some documentation about how to do this somewhere, or even perhaps a tutorial? While you might be right that this really isn't possible, I won't be willing to accept that until I know that it isn't some stupid mistake I'm making every time I try to make an alteration.

Greg

[ETR3(SS)]

Like polyfiller said I too have a vested interest in this project. I'd like to include this in the 688i mod as well. Version 4 for stock SH4 should be up by the end of the week. Not sure what boat(s) you're testing this with but figured I'd throw that info out there if you wanted to use that as a test bed.

[treblesum81]

Well, I've actually been using ver 3 at the moment, only because this way, if I get the ctd figured out, then I can work on fitting the launch points to the right place. all of this being said, I'm still not able to get the ctd issue solved, and the more I work at it, the more I think its something I'm doing wrong and not something that can't be done. What I've arrived at now is that I can manipulate any value in any existing chunk without a problem (however this doesn't produce the correct effect), but if I try to add anything at all, label, node, 3D model, etc., then all of the sudden I start getting the ctd, and always at the same point... the loading bar fills completely and then several seconds later, before the scene loads, the game crashes. So, I need to figure out still what I'm not adding, editing, or changing when that I need to be when I add in a new chunk.

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