Germany embarks on total and complete ban of killer games

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

This is not true. This coincides with the release of concealed carry permits. It just became a lot more dangerous for criminals to prey on people. Same thing happens in DC for example. Lots of home break ins there. Look at the same statistic in Arizona. It is quite different. Breaking into a home in Arizona usually carry's significant penalties for the criminal, one that might possibly be a life sentence when he gets shot. This is not a problem in DC, or at least wasn't in the past. Not sure if people are allowed to have a loaded firearm in their home there now, but I think they can after the SCOTUS ruling.

-S

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_c.htm#school

From your quoted link:

• In every year from 1992 to 2006, students ages 12-18 were more likely to experience a serious violent crime away from school than at school.
• In 2007, about a third (32%) of public and private school students ages 12-18 reported that they have been bullied at school within the past six months.
• Among high school students in grades 9-12, about 12% said they got into a fight on school property in 2007.
• In 2007, 10% of male students and 5% of female student reported experiencing a threat or injury with a weapon on school property.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

From your quoted link:

I'm not sure what you're getting at, as those are point in time statistics and don't measure a trend over a period of years. That makes them essentially worthless for this discussion.

This is much more relevant:

Juvenile Arrest Rates for All Crimes, 1980-2007



http://ojjdp.ncjrs.gov/ojstatbb/crim...asp?ID=qa05200

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Letum

Yes, the graph looks a little suspect to me.
Violent crime only started to fall in the US in the early 90s according to the best statistics I can find.

I'm an idiot.
The graph also shows violent crime peaking in the early 90s.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

I'm an idiot.
The graph also shows violent crime peaking in the early 90s.

Yep. You aren't seeing enough of it. It was on an upward trend since the 40's. This was the argument people used to push CCP permits through. Shortly after, crime began to recede. Today, it is pretty low.

As for Mookie mookies arrest sheet, that is meaningless. Maybe they decided to arrest more people for a given thing at one point when they would have got a warning before, and then stopped arresting for it later on. It is not telling you what they were arrested for. A violent crime arrest rate would be more telling.

Of course you could do like the UK and just manipulate what you are reporting to make things look better. They started doing this in the 1990's to 2000's to make it seem as if crime is going down when it fact it was rising.

Did you guys ever get that straightened out? I hope you did.

-S

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by surf_ten

That is a interesting graph Mookiemoookie. The crime rate is actually going down despite the increase violent content in recent games.

It means nothing, since there is zero statistical anaylsis given on forming a link between the two. In the nineties, I did shave off my beared. Maybe this made crime rates going so and so, up or down, and it contributed to the video games scene to make suczh and such kind of games?

All,

stop abusing statistics here if you do not know methodology. Leave abusing statistics to those who are experts in abusing them - leave it to politicians. A simultaneity of two events does not make a correlation, a correlation is no causal link.

[Task Force]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

And how do they plan to stop BitTorrent?

The people that still want them will still get them.

-S

Ya know. you have a point. And theyl get them free.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It means nothing, since there is zero statistical anaylsis given on forming a link between the two.

That might be his point.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Piracy rates will go thru the roof in Germany, that's for sure.

Just order the fu**cking game on amazon.co.uk or and any other european e-tailer. Thats one of the advantages of being part of the EU.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Just order the fu**cking game on amazon.co.uk or and any other european e-tailer. Thats one of the advantages of being part of the EU.

Freedom of trade throughout a borderless community.

I somehow think it would end up like the differing controls regarding drugs between Britain and Holland for example....and almost impossible to enforce.

I'm a little drawn on this one. On the one hand I don't think this particular thing will solve anything in Germany. On the other hand I'm glad that at least one government in Europe is still able to enforce things with the aim of improving things for the citizens and not just about helping to make the über-rich even richer.

Btw, it's so funny to see Americans getting their panties in a bunch over the miniscule UK gun crime figures. I mean, it's like 1/100th of USA's figures.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yep. You aren't seeing enough of it. It was on an upward trend since the 40's. This was the argument people used to push CCP permits through. Shortly after, crime began to recede. Today, it is pretty low.

As for Mookie mookies arrest sheet, that is meaningless. Maybe they decided to arrest more people for a given thing at one point when they would have got a warning before, and then stopped arresting for it later on. It is not telling you what they were arrested for. A violent crime arrest rate would be more telling.

Of course you could do like the UK and just manipulate what you are reporting to make things look better. They started doing this in the 1990's to 2000's to make it seem as if crime is going down when it fact it was rising.

Did you guys ever get that straightened out? I hope you did.

-S

Here's your VIOLENT CRIMES portion of the data. Now can we all agree that the prevalence of juvenile crime has been steady to declining throughout the 90's/2000s?



http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/ojstatbb/crim...asp?ID=qa05201

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Here's your VIOLENT CRIMES portion of the data. Now can we all agree that the prevalence of juvenile crime has been steady to declining throughout the 90's/2000s?



http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/ojstatbb/crim...asp?ID=qa05201

Arrests do not equal crimes committed, nor does that graph show that big of a drop. It could be due to something as simple as a change in law enforcement focus.

[August]

Oh and that little bump in 2006 looks a lot like the one that heralded the meteoric rise in the early '90's.

[nikimcbee]

Just look at the bright side. Just think of all of the cool mods you can do for Petz, simzoo, etc.