GWX3G - Is it normal to experience this level of darkness?I mean ZERO visibility!

KeptinCranky · 05-30-09, 08:09 AM

I used to have an ATI x800 card, and yes the nights were very very dark, exactly as you described in fact, this works as intended (sort of) but does make things fiendishly difficult at times.

I didn't really find a solution except tweak the brightness and gamma a little, eventually i switched to an Nvidia (temporarily) and the problem went away.

Now that I have an ati 4870 I also don't have the extremely dark nights anymore,

sorry mate, but I don;t think there's an easy fix

sharkbit · 05-30-09, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

I used to have an ATI x800 card, and yes the nights were very very dark, exactly as you described in fact, this works as intended (sort of) but does make things fiendishly difficult at times.

I didn't really find a solution except tweak the brightness and gamma a little, eventually i switched to an Nvidia (temporarily) and the problem went away.

Now that I have an ati 4870 I also don't have the extremely dark nights anymore,

sorry mate, but I don;t think there's an easy fix

On my previous computer, I had an ATI card and the nights were very dark, but I felt it was realistic. I could start making shapes of my targets out at a couple thousand meters although identifying flags could be a problem. I tweeked the brightness and it was pretty bearable.

My new rig has a NVIDIA card and it is not near as dark. Sometimes I think it may be too light now. I don't have to touch my nose to the screen to see anything now, especially when trying to identify flags.

Jimbuna · 05-30-09, 11:51 AM

Try putting the SS back into the ammo CFG and have your crew fire one every couple of minutes

Paul Riley · 05-30-09, 04:12 PM

i'm hoping its not related to ATI cards,I mean sometimes it is impossible to make anything out,even with my face close to the monitor.

I tried disabling the 16k atmosphere and reverted back,the graphics were awful without it,cameras were all screwed,the sky and sea looked terrible with no detail,and it looked TOO bright also,not as moody looking.

I guess it is normal after all,and I will get used to it.

Paul Riley · 05-30-09, 04:15 PM

All in all,no further problems yet,no more CTDs,no corrupt saves (apart from missing save,putting an x cured that),no graphical problems (other than this issue,which seems normal),and just a few performance issues when close to ports,which everyone will probably experience.

Jimbuna · 05-30-09, 04:37 PM

What monitor are you using Paul?

Personally speaking mine is a 22" flatscreen and whilst it's dark, it's never pitch black

http://www.new-monitors.co.uk/fulldetail.asp?ID=253

RoaldLarsen · 05-30-09, 11:36 PM

A couple of thoughts about visibility at night:

1) The amount of available light on a clear moonless night is a couple of orders of magnitude greater than on a completely overcast night. The amount of available light on a clear night with a full moon is at least a couple of more orders of magnitude greater. It is possible to see a large ship at a few hundred metres in starlight, but not in overcast conditions, partly because of the starlight illuminating the target but also because the target will block out stars near the horizon and will therefore appear as a shadow. Too many people in various threads have treated the issue of moon / no moon as the only significant factor in whether things should be visible. Overcast / no overcast is also signifcant.

2) Lights on your own boat make it harder for you to see things far away, not easier, because they have a much greater effect on your pupil than on illuminating a target.

Paul Riley · 05-31-09, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

What monitor are you using Paul?

Personally speaking mine is a 22" flatscreen and whilst it's dark, it's never pitch black

http://www.new-monitors.co.uk/fulldetail.asp?ID=253

Good question jim,

While I built a good PC about 8yrs ago (with numerous upgrades over the years),I still have my old 17" 'Tiny' CRT monitor (getting a 19-20" Viewsonic LCD in the near future).Its not a bad monitor,brightness and contrast have been tweaked to optimal levels,and colour temp is also set to optimal levels.Some monitors are darker than others,and unless this is normal behaviour in the game,it could be the case with my monitor,yet in all my other games (I have well over 100) brightness is at the correct level.
The way I configure my contrast and brightness is to -

1. Contrast
Adjust contrast to maximum,then find an object or screen that should be white in the game,a sheet of paper is ideal.Then lower contrast until the object isnt as glaring but still produces the correct 'white' ,and not washed out white/grey effect.White should be white,and not a blinding white.
Result = contrast set at 90%

2. Brightness
I find an area dominated by shadows,if possible.Then,lower brightness until you can see no detail at all in the shadow,and the shadow is a black mass.Then,raise brightness slightly each time until detail JUST becomes visible,but only just.This is the correct method for tweaking your brightness.
Result = brightness set at 89%

So,I know my monitor is tweaked to optimal levels.I must also mention as Roald mentioned,there are no stars AT ALL on this particular night,so actually,it may be normal to experience no illumination whatsoever.Its very cloudy,and the clouds have just broke too.

NOTE: Tiny went bankrupt a few years ago.I am not surprised,their PCs were s**t,forcing me to learn how to build and repair my own,and for a living.

Thanks.

John O · 07-04-09, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Try putting the SS back into the ammo CFG and have your crew fire one every couple of minutes

I'm one of the few that liked the Star Shell in the locker. I know it was not realistic but it was convienent to light up a lone target on a dark night for gun action. I haven't tried lately with the new GWX but can it be done? In the past I could get star shells added to the locker but could not load them in the deck gun. Any Ideas?

RoaldLarsen · 07-07-09, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by John O

I'm one of the few that liked the Star Shell in the locker. I know it was not realistic...

Don't know why you think having star shells on board is not realistic. GWX designers didn't put SS in their mod because they couldn't find any reference to any boats carrying them. However, several months ago a few references were cited in this forum, of subs carrying SS IRL. So, some boats had SS on board on some trips, others did not. We don't have enough data to say much more regarding timelines or frequency.

Different boats used different loads. Some carried only AA shells for their deck gun. Some carried AP or SAP. Most had some HE.

Sorry, cannot help re shells in lockers not being loadable.

USS Rustbucket · 07-15-09, 07:03 AM

I also need some guidence in this area. Night time even under cloudless full moon calm sea is almost completely black. I can see the stars the moon, but as for ships not a chance. I can bearly make out the silloutte of the bridge crew. This makes for night time engagements almost imposible.

I'm guessing this is a graphics card issue. I'm running with the ATI x1900. Is it possible to adjust the video card brightness settings some how?

05-30-09, 11:51 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,405 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Try putting the SS back into the ammo CFG and have your crew fire one every couple of minutes __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-30-09, 04:12 PM	#4
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	i'm hoping its not related to ATI cards,I mean sometimes it is impossible to make anything out,even with my face close to the monitor. I tried disabling the 16k atmosphere and reverted back,the graphics were awful without it,cameras were all screwed,the sky and sea looked terrible with no detail,and it looked TOO bright also,not as moody looking. I guess it is normal after all,and I will get used to it. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

05-30-09, 04:15 PM	#5
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	All in all,no further problems yet,no more CTDs,no corrupt saves (apart from missing save,putting an x cured that),no graphical problems (other than this issue,which seems normal),and just a few performance issues when close to ports,which everyone will probably experience. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

05-30-09, 04:37 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,405 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	What monitor are you using Paul? Personally speaking mine is a 22" flatscreen and whilst it's dark, it's never pitch black http://www.new-monitors.co.uk/fulldetail.asp?ID=253 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-30-09, 11:36 PM	#7
RoaldLarsen Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Control Room Posts: 355 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	A couple of thoughts about visibility at night: 1) The amount of available light on a clear moonless night is a couple of orders of magnitude greater than on a completely overcast night. The amount of available light on a clear night with a full moon is at least a couple of more orders of magnitude greater. It is possible to see a large ship at a few hundred metres in starlight, but not in overcast conditions, partly because of the starlight illuminating the target but also because the target will block out stars near the horizon and will therefore appear as a shadow. Too many people in various threads have treated the issue of moon / no moon as the only significant factor in whether things should be visible. Overcast / no overcast is also signifcant. 2) Lights on your own boat make it harder for you to see things far away, not easier, because they have a much greater effect on your pupil than on illuminating a target. __________________ 100% realism, DiD Harbor Traffic 1.47(incl. RUB) Using SH3 Commander to implement many custom realism tweaks Covered 1939-1945; now restarting in 1939 again. Completed 39 careers, 210 war patrols, 4.7Mt sunk, 19 subs lost

05-30-09, 08:09 AM	#1
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I used to have an ATI x800 card, and yes the nights were very very dark, exactly as you described in fact, this works as intended (sort of) but does make things fiendishly difficult at times. I didn't really find a solution except tweak the brightness and gamma a little, eventually i switched to an Nvidia (temporarily) and the problem went away. Now that I have an ati 4870 I also don't have the extremely dark nights anymore, sorry mate, but I don;t think there's an easy fix

07-15-09, 07:03 AM	#11
USS Rustbucket Swabbie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I also need some guidence in this area. Night time even under cloudless full moon calm sea is almost completely black. I can see the stars the moon, but as for ships not a chance. I can bearly make out the silloutte of the bridge crew. This makes for night time engagements almost imposible. I'm guessing this is a graphics card issue. I'm running with the ATI x1900. Is it possible to adjust the video card brightness settings some how?