Lil Kim Jong Il is playing with his toys again - Page 4

Kapitan_Phillips · 05-27-09, 03:14 PM

LOL!

Steel_Tomb · 05-27-09, 03:43 PM

What do you guys think of NK's latest outburst? Is it just an attention grabber so they feel important or do you think they will seriously consider fulfilling such a crazy adventure? SK would be hit badly but the North would get absolutely wasted...

Skybird · 05-27-09, 05:22 PM

They cerztainly already plan again to sell nuclear knowhow and tech-help, that'S why the S-Korea's joining of the American anti-prilifareation initiative makes them so noisy - having your ships searched when you want to use them for smuggling is somewhat damaging to your intentions. The North'S situation is desperate, a total no win-situation in all regards. Also, the man is ill, maybe temrinally ill, and he is old.

Fear the old men. They have nothing to lose.

German media reported the Russians have started preparing for a nuclear war on the korean peninsula by mobilising counter-ABC troops and sending them into the region. It was also reported in Russian media.

Platapus · 05-27-09, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

- having your ships searched when you want to use them for smuggling is somewhat damaging to your intentions.

Under the PSI the North Korean Ships can only be searched while they are inside the territorial waters of a PSI member.

Actually the PSI did not change much, the existing laws cover everything the PSI does. The only purpose of the PSI was to formalize operations across different nation's waters.

Steel_Tomb · 05-27-09, 05:40 PM

I thought that the ships would be searched in international waters? Otherwise isn't it rather pointless as NK would just make sure none of its ships passed through a members territorial waters.

Skybird · 05-27-09, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Under the PSI the North Korean Ships can only be searched while they are inside the territorial waters of a PSI member.

Actually the PSI did not change much, the existing laws cover everything the PSI does. The only purpose of the PSI was to formalize operations across different nation's waters.

So what. The North still will not like it's ships being searched while smuggling nuclear components.

And considering how desperate the north'S situation is, maybe it is a good idea to search every Northkorean ship leaving Northern harbours and national waters, heading away from Korea.

Else the Israeli Air Force maybe needs to clean up the mess behind the law-loving bureaucrats, like they did with that nuclear facility in Syria recently.

What's better: having a law-ignoring searching of a ship, or a law-ignoring air strike on such a nuclear facility?

Platapus · 05-27-09, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

What's better: having a law-ignoring searching of a ship, or a law-ignoring air strike on such a nuclear facility?

I don't accept those options as being exhaustive.

Skybird · 05-27-09, 06:52 PM

And I do not accept nuclear proliferation.

Trust is nice. Control is better. Paper is patient.

Skybird · 05-28-09, 05:46 AM

It seems the US is moving a bit into the direction of my argument on the need to search their ships (as long as it is not just tpough words born of helplessness).

Subsim.com's front page links this:

"North Korea may face blockade by US Navy"

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14314655.html

My support for such a move. Other navies should join the operation. The issue is far more urgent than the multi-national armada operating in the pirate-infested waters at Somalia.

If the Indians could get to join it, the cooperation between the US Navy and the Indian navy could additonally help to boost relations, since the Obama administration plans to strengthen ties with India and militarily cooperating closer with them anyway. Sounds like a nice and free bonus, seen that way. Having closer relations to India cannot hurt.

In the past, searching of ships was not often done, becaseu of fears over irrational reactions from the northkoreans. Well, somewhow that Northkorean nuclear equipement must have reached the Syrians, and in quite some volumes, and so we know the answer. searching their ships holds a risk. not searching their ships holds an even greater risk. So lets do it, but not without being prepared for the worst. If people have doubts over the northkoreans, they might want to transform and shift the movie "Downfalll" into a Korean context. They say the film is basing on true historic events and is about the murderish and self-deceiving reactions of an isolated man who looks back at the ruins of his life, and has nothing to lose anymore. By that he concludes he must destroy his whole people, because they do not deserve to live if they cannot fulfill his expectations in them.

XabbaRus · 05-28-09, 07:04 AM

I think NK is one of the hardest places for spec. ops to operate thus we haven't topped lil' Kim.

XabbaRus · 05-28-09, 07:34 AM

I wouldn't worry about the SKs.

They hold monthly drills where the population evacuates Seoul and they can turn every highway into a functioning runway within an hour.

Oberon · 06-01-09, 09:25 AM

TLAM Strike · 06-01-09, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I think NK is one of the hardest places for spec. ops to operate thus we haven't topped lil' Kim.

I think you hit it right on the nose Xabba, just imagin trying to infiltrate a prison and overthrow the warden!

There was a reason western spies didn't last long the in the Soviet Union. Communist nations are built on keeping tabs on what everyone in their borders is doing. The North Koreans are already watching their borders to make sure none of their own people get out, trying to sneak operators in is while not impossable very very very difficult plus there is the problem of remaining hidden in what is a police state where everything and everyone is guarded and the civilian population is hostile from decates of brainwashing propaganda.

TheSatyr · 06-02-09, 02:45 PM

Yeah we could launch air strikes,but air power alone can't take ground. Those who advocate nuke strikes of any kind are nuts. Neither you nor I can say how China or Russia would react and I personally would prefer not to find out. With a large portion of our troops tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan there really isn't a hell of alot we COULD do if NK invaded SK,we just don't have the resources any more...and NK knows it. I'm just surprised that they haven't invaded already.

All we could really do is just sit back and watch. And as for air strikes,NK has one hell of an air defense system so if we did it expect heavy losses. This isn't Iraq we are talking about. This is a Nation that has spent the past 50 years preparing for this.

Raptor1 · 06-02-09, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

Yeah we could launch air strikes,but air power alone can't take ground. Those who advocate nuke strikes of any kind are nuts. Neither you nor I can say how China or Russia would react and I personally would prefer not to find out. With a large portion of our troops tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan there really isn't a hell of alot we COULD do if NK invaded SK,we just don't have the resources any more...and NK knows it. I'm just surprised that they haven't invaded already.

All we could really do is just sit back and watch. And as for air strikes,NK has one hell of an air defense system so if we did it expect heavy losses. This isn't Iraq we are talking about. This is a Nation that has spent the past 50 years preparing for this.

Air power can't take ground, but it has been proven in and since WWII that air superiority can so severely cripple a conventional army that it's relative numerical superiority becomes useless.

I'm not saying gaining air superiority over the DPRK will be easy, but it probably can be achieved, given enough preperations...

05-27-09, 03:14 PM	#46
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	LOL! __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

05-27-09, 03:43 PM	#47
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What do you guys think of NK's latest outburst? Is it just an attention grabber so they feel important or do you think they will seriously consider fulfilling such a crazy adventure? SK would be hit badly but the North would get absolutely wasted... __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

05-27-09, 05:22 PM	#48
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,752 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	They cerztainly already plan again to sell nuclear knowhow and tech-help, that'S why the S-Korea's joining of the American anti-prilifareation initiative makes them so noisy - having your ships searched when you want to use them for smuggling is somewhat damaging to your intentions. The North'S situation is desperate, a total no win-situation in all regards. Also, the man is ill, maybe temrinally ill, and he is old. Fear the old men. They have nothing to lose. German media reported the Russians have started preparing for a nuclear war on the korean peninsula by mobilising counter-ABC troops and sending them into the region. It was also reported in Russian media. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-27-09, 05:40 PM	#50
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I thought that the ships would be searched in international waters? Otherwise isn't it rather pointless as NK would just make sure none of its ships passed through a members territorial waters. __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

05-27-09, 06:52 PM	#53
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,752 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And I do not accept nuclear proliferation. Trust is nice. Control is better. Paper is patient. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-28-09, 05:46 AM	#54
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,752 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It seems the US is moving a bit into the direction of my argument on the need to search their ships (as long as it is not just tpough words born of helplessness). Subsim.com's front page links this: "North Korea may face blockade by US Navy" http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14314655.html My support for such a move. Other navies should join the operation. The issue is far more urgent than the multi-national armada operating in the pirate-infested waters at Somalia. If the Indians could get to join it, the cooperation between the US Navy and the Indian navy could additonally help to boost relations, since the Obama administration plans to strengthen ties with India and militarily cooperating closer with them anyway. Sounds like a nice and free bonus, seen that way. Having closer relations to India cannot hurt. In the past, searching of ships was not often done, becaseu of fears over irrational reactions from the northkoreans. Well, somewhow that Northkorean nuclear equipement must have reached the Syrians, and in quite some volumes, and so we know the answer. searching their ships holds a risk. not searching their ships holds an even greater risk. So lets do it, but not without being prepared for the worst. If people have doubts over the northkoreans, they might want to transform and shift the movie "Downfalll" into a Korean context. They say the film is basing on true historic events and is about the murderish and self-deceiving reactions of an isolated man who looks back at the ruins of his life, and has nothing to lose anymore. By that he concludes he must destroy his whole people, because they do not deserve to live if they cannot fulfill his expectations in them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 05-28-09 at 05:57 AM.

05-28-09, 07:04 AM	#55
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I think NK is one of the hardest places for spec. ops to operate thus we haven't topped lil' Kim. __________________

05-28-09, 07:34 AM	#56
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I wouldn't worry about the SKs. They hold monthly drills where the population evacuates Seoul and they can turn every highway into a functioning runway within an hour. __________________

06-01-09, 09:25 AM	#57
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20

06-02-09, 02:45 PM	#59
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah we could launch air strikes,but air power alone can't take ground. Those who advocate nuke strikes of any kind are nuts. Neither you nor I can say how China or Russia would react and I personally would prefer not to find out. With a large portion of our troops tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan there really isn't a hell of alot we COULD do if NK invaded SK,we just don't have the resources any more...and NK knows it. I'm just surprised that they haven't invaded already. All we could really do is just sit back and watch. And as for air strikes,NK has one hell of an air defense system so if we did it expect heavy losses. This isn't Iraq we are talking about. This is a Nation that has spent the past 50 years preparing for this.