Eyeballing Speed?

Rockin Robbins · 05-26-09, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I disagree I prefer to fire between 2,000- 4,500 yds(within the max range of a mk.14 at top speed)

I have to come down in vanjast's corner on this one. Get darn close and let 'em have it with the limited info you have because you're going to be darn busy when attacking a convoy. I pretty much get to well inside 1000 yards, usually inside 800 yards and inside 500 when I can. I don't set a speed at all in the TDC, it's set to zero. I preset the TDC to a range of about 1300 yards, pick a fire bearing, press send range/bearing and shoot. You're in so darn close it isn't rocket science in here at all.

I found that the escorts can't really do much while you are in the convoy, but at some point the merchies will part and Mr Escort will charge through. If you're alert this sets up a perfect high percentage down the throat shot.

I've always been a stickler for detail and precise procedure, but in my testing of GFO and SAP for Webster and jrex, I've done repeat runs on my Convoy from Hell Mission to determine details of ship maneuvering in panic mode.

I just stuck myself in the middle of the convoy, up periscope and point and shoot. And yes I run manual targeting and options as difficult as they go except external cameras are on (but not used) and map updates are on. I know it seems dumb but argue with this result of stock and GFO only:

That's two hours work with stock game plus GFO only. Some of the two hours was spent approaching and entering the convoy at periscope depth. No other mods. My last four victims were to the deck gun. Those four wouldn't have been possible with RFB or TMO. You don't attack armed merchies with those mods.

AVGWarhawk · 05-26-09, 01:13 PM

If you are going for historical...1500 yards are closer. Doctrine...1500 yards are closer. PorthsmouthProwler is on the money. Getting to 1500 yards are better leave little to chance. If you are off by 1 knot in speed calculation....not a big deal, the bow shot now hits a few yards back of the bow. Not matter..you hit the vessel.

Locking the scope.... not needed. You are the stalker, set up your attack. Get to 1500 yards or better and at 90 degrees to target. When sonar calls out slow screws...figure about 7-8 knots. Medium screws 9-11 knots. Fast screws, pull the plug there is a warship after your arse. If you are unsure, use the spread angle on the TDC to compensate for possible speed miscalculations.

After a while, the player can just about tell the speed by bow wake or splash. Also, the time it is taking the target to reach the optimal firing position. If it is taking long and the TC button is looking good...the vessel is doing 6-7 kts. If you have it set up to 11 you are screwed. If the vessel is gaining on you optimal firing solution very quickly and the sonarman is calling out changes in degree quickly the target speed should be up to 10.5-11.

Make mental notes, eventually you will be calling out the solutions like the well seasoned skippers did.

PortsmouthProwler · 05-26-09, 01:26 PM

Hey, great advice AVG. I know fer sure I don't use my sonar as well as I could. I'm gonna paste this to a text file.

AVGWarhawk · 05-26-09, 01:32 PM

I pretty much shoot from the hip. Those 3500 yard shots are for other players.

I do ping merchants for distance every now and then. I do this twice to get the track it is running.

Stealhead · 05-27-09, 06:55 PM

Yeah but like I said anyone can play the game anyway that they want to I was ust saying that I dont get ultra close not less than 1,500 yds really ever. I prefer to fire at around the 3,550-2,500yd range.

I saw that somene says that deapth preception means nothing on a pc. It still does even though it is not really in three dimensions they are siumlating 3D the military uses simulators all the time to train they even have a system that is used to train for small arms marksmanship so you are wrong there. A person who has good dp simply has a very easy time being able to see what of any 2 things is farhter and which is nearer nothing more.The machine that tests dp is also not really in 3D.Anyone can improve thier dp it is not really a "gift" though some have better dp than others a relative of mine failed the dp test to get into pilot training back in WWII his wife found out about a way to improve it and what ever it was she had her husband the the training and he passed the dp test a month or so later.

Prowler I type the way I type if someone feels imtimadted by my typing too bad.That is my way to be sure that only someone who is really interested in what i have to say will read it.This is as spaced out as it will get from me on any forum.It reflects my personality I guess.

PortsmouthProwler · 05-28-09, 01:00 AM

Just a suggestion, Stealhead, it's very hard to read your posts. As a pro, we always consider layout and appearance, we want the reader to read things easily. For 'intimidation', read 'off-putting', it wasn't a jab or personal remark. More people are going to read your stuff and understand you more easily if you avoid huge blocks of dense text.

The above goes double for our non-native readers and posters - they're operating in a language that is not their own, so being reader-friendly helps them quite a bit.

Again, just a suggestion - it's my expertise. When my accountant makes a suggestion, I listen to it - it's his expertise.

Kapitan_Phillips · 05-28-09, 04:36 AM

Looked fine to me, Prowler.

05-26-09, 01:13 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,287 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	If you are going for historical...1500 yards are closer. Doctrine...1500 yards are closer. PorthsmouthProwler is on the money. Getting to 1500 yards are better leave little to chance. If you are off by 1 knot in speed calculation....not a big deal, the bow shot now hits a few yards back of the bow. Not matter..you hit the vessel. Locking the scope.... not needed. You are the stalker, set up your attack. Get to 1500 yards or better and at 90 degrees to target. When sonar calls out slow screws...figure about 7-8 knots. Medium screws 9-11 knots. Fast screws, pull the plug there is a warship after your arse. If you are unsure, use the spread angle on the TDC to compensate for possible speed miscalculations. After a while, the player can just about tell the speed by bow wake or splash. Also, the time it is taking the target to reach the optimal firing position. If it is taking long and the TC button is looking good...the vessel is doing 6-7 kts. If you have it set up to 11 you are screwed. If the vessel is gaining on you optimal firing solution very quickly and the sonarman is calling out changes in degree quickly the target speed should be up to 10.5-11. Make mental notes, eventually you will be calling out the solutions like the well seasoned skippers did. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-26-09, 01:32 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,287 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I pretty much shoot from the hip. Those 3500 yard shots are for other players. I do ping merchants for distance every now and then. I do this twice to get the track it is running. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-28-09, 04:36 AM	#7
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Looked fine to me, Prowler. __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

05-26-09, 01:26 PM	#3
PortsmouthProwler Bosun Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 65 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Hey, great advice AVG. I know fer sure I don't use my sonar as well as I could. I'm gonna paste this to a text file.

05-27-09, 06:55 PM	#5
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Yeah but like I said anyone can play the game anyway that they want to I was ust saying that I dont get ultra close not less than 1,500 yds really ever. I prefer to fire at around the 3,550-2,500yd range. I saw that somene says that deapth preception means nothing on a pc. It still does even though it is not really in three dimensions they are siumlating 3D the military uses simulators all the time to train they even have a system that is used to train for small arms marksmanship so you are wrong there. A person who has good dp simply has a very easy time being able to see what of any 2 things is farhter and which is nearer nothing more.The machine that tests dp is also not really in 3D.Anyone can improve thier dp it is not really a "gift" though some have better dp than others a relative of mine failed the dp test to get into pilot training back in WWII his wife found out about a way to improve it and what ever it was she had her husband the the training and he passed the dp test a month or so later. Prowler I type the way I type if someone feels imtimadted by my typing too bad.That is my way to be sure that only someone who is really interested in what i have to say will read it.This is as spaced out as it will get from me on any forum.It reflects my personality I guess.

05-28-09, 01:00 AM	#6
PortsmouthProwler Bosun Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 65 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Just a suggestion, Stealhead, it's very hard to read your posts. As a pro, we always consider layout and appearance, we want the reader to read things easily. For 'intimidation', read 'off-putting', it wasn't a jab or personal remark. More people are going to read your stuff and understand you more easily if you avoid huge blocks of dense text. The above goes double for our non-native readers and posters - they're operating in a language that is not their own, so being reader-friendly helps them quite a bit. Again, just a suggestion - it's my expertise. When my accountant makes a suggestion, I listen to it - it's his expertise.