Who had the best submarines in wwII?

onelifecrisis · 05-14-09, 11:15 PM

just shoot me now and end the pain

Torplexed · 05-15-09, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

just shoot me now and end the pain

:rotfl:

Who had the best dredging equipment of WW2?

They must be using it to resurrect this thread.

onelifecrisis · 05-15-09, 05:09 AM

Jimbuna · 05-15-09, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

just shoot me now and end the pain

AVGWarhawk · 05-15-09, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

This is like finding an old girlfriend who had VD when you were dating her.

Peto · 05-15-09, 11:19 AM

Decided I'd throw a couple pennies in to this discussion... I've watched the debate over which nation had the best subs in WWII with a mix of interest and amusement and kept my opinions to myself. I still will (sort of) and let history decide which sub classes were the best design.

After WWII--Russia, UK and the USA split up the uboats so they could check them out. They each received fully oprational boats of various types. The types were all tested, dissected, put back together and tested again. So--the real question is--what boat type had the greatest longevity after the war? The boat that remained in operational use by the most fleets would inherintly indicate that it was the best design. Those that were "retired" the soonest would be indicative of being the most flawed/limited.

The winner is? Balao and Gato classes. They were still operational well into the 60's. Stream-lined and with snorts added, they could do everything any other boat of WWII was capable of. It wasn't done in WWII because it wasn't nessecary for their success. They didn't dive so deep mainly because they didn't have to (which doesn't mean they couldn't). And diving deep is worth very little if there is still a hunter right above you that you can't escape from...

History reveals the winner.

BulSoldier · 05-15-09, 11:31 AM

I dont think this is reasonable.There are many reasons as for why a nation would keep old subs.

And the most obveous one is for this nation prioritazing(spl?) their military modernization programs for other types of military equipment.(aircrafts, tanks etc.)

And the reasons i believe XXI not to be on service at other navies is that they would have to manucture parts especialy for them or make their entire submarines fleets consisting of this type or redisigned but esentialy a foreigh type of sub.Witch would mean to scrap all current boats they would have.

It is simply better to keep the large nubmers they have instead of scraping them in order to construct an entire new subarines (witch were made for atlatik use after all).And consdidering ther eis no Germany after ww2 it is no surpries that uboots werent on active duty after the war

Peto · 05-15-09, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BulSoldier

I dont think this is reasonable.There are many reasons as for why a nation would keep old subs.

And the most obveous one is for this nation prioritazing(spl?) their military modernization programs for other types of military equipment.(aircrafts, tanks etc.)

And the reasons i believe XXI not to be on service at other navies is that they would have to manucture parts especialy for them or make their entire submarines fleets consisting of this type or redisigned but esentialy a foreigh type of sub.Witch would mean to scrap all current boats they would have.

It is simply better to keep the large nubmers they have instead of scraping them in order to construct an entire new subarines (witch were made for atlatik use after all).And consdidering ther eis no Germany after ww2 it is no surpries that uboots werent on active duty after the war

Very good points.

(I still lean toward history's selection though

).

Platapus · 05-15-09, 02:01 PM

Peto,

Some very valid points there.

AVGWarhawk · 05-15-09, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Peto

Decided I'd throw a couple pennies in to this discussion... I've watched the debate over which nation had the best subs in WWII with a mix of interest and amusement and kept my opinions to myself. I still will (sort of) and let history decide which sub classes were the best design.

After WWII--Russia, UK and the USA split up the uboats so they could check them out. They each received fully oprational boats of various types. The types were all tested, dissected, put back together and tested again. So--the real question is--what boat type had the greatest longevity after the war? The boat that remained in operational use by the most fleets would inherintly indicate that it was the best design. Those that were "retired" the soonest would be indicative of being the most flawed/limited.

The winner is? Balao and Gato classes. They were still operational well into the 60's. Stream-lined and with snorts added, they could do everything any other boat of WWII was capable of. It wasn't done in WWII because it wasn't nessecary for their success. They didn't dive so deep mainly because they didn't have to (which doesn't mean they couldn't). And diving deep is worth very little if there is still a hunter right above you that you can't escape from...

History reveals the winner.

Don't forget the Tench Class

Peto · 05-15-09, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Don't forget the Tench Class

I hope you can find room in your stoney heart for a smidgeon of foregiveness

. Yes--I should have included the Tench Class

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Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Decided I'd throw a couple pennies in to this discussion... I've watched the debate over which nation had the best subs in WWII with a mix of interest and amusement and kept my opinions to myself. I still will (sort of) and let history decide which sub classes were the best design. After WWII--Russia, UK and the USA split up the uboats so they could check them out. They each received fully oprational boats of various types. The types were all tested, dissected, put back together and tested again. So--the real question is--what boat type had the greatest longevity after the war? The boat that remained in operational use by the most fleets would inherintly indicate that it was the best design. Those that were "retired" the soonest would be indicative of being the most flawed/limited. The winner is? Balao and Gato classes. They were still operational well into the 60's. Stream-lined and with snorts added, they could do everything any other boat of WWII was capable of. It wasn't done in WWII because it wasn't nessecary for their success. They didn't dive so deep mainly because they didn't have to (which doesn't mean they couldn't). And diving deep is worth very little if there is still a hunter right above you that you can't escape from... History reveals the winner. __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

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BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I dont think this is reasonable.There are many reasons as for why a nation would keep old subs. And the most obveous one is for this nation prioritazing(spl?) their military modernization programs for other types of military equipment.(aircrafts, tanks etc.) And the reasons i believe XXI not to be on service at other navies is that they would have to manucture parts especialy for them or make their entire submarines fleets consisting of this type or redisigned but esentialy a foreigh type of sub.Witch would mean to scrap all current boats they would have. It is simply better to keep the large nubmers they have instead of scraping them in order to construct an entire new subarines (witch were made for atlatik use after all).And consdidering ther eis no Germany after ww2 it is no surpries that uboots werent on active duty after the war __________________ By the hour !

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,369 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Peto, Some very valid points there. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.