Same-sex marriage in Sweden/Gays in military

porphy · 05-11-09, 05:42 AM

My view is maybe not that far of Skybird. If the family and its values as institution in society needs strengthening, why is it so hard to accept homosexuals to be allowed to form families? One could look at their wish to live in a marriage, with children (adopted or natural born) and acting as responsible parents as being part of these values, not primary to dilute and twist them.
For example, I can't see anything in that paragraph 6 you quoted that would stop same sex parents or married couples. Part of the argument seems to be that society can't bear the costs of extending marriage, possibility of children and family life to everyone, but if family life and its values is the holy grail of modern society, why not put up some money to strengthen it even this way?

In Sweden the family and marriage, and some of the traditional values connected to this, are very much en vogue again. So, maybe it is quite reasonable and much in line with this current tendency to extend the values and benefits of family and marriage to citizens that have been barred from this by people and groups that claim the exclusive right to both concept and the social benefits and status on grounds of their sexual orientation.

Yes, marriage is a concept with a long history in religion, but its history is only in part religious. Claiming that it is essentially a wholly religious concept somehow kidnapped by some evildoers with the agenda to erode morality, like CaptainHaplos post seem to indicate, is simply an opinion which ignores much of todays modern facts about what a family and marriage is, in most western countries.

cheers Porphy

05-11-09, 05:42 AM	#11
porphy Commodore Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 603 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	My view is maybe not that far of Skybird. If the family and its values as institution in society needs strengthening, why is it so hard to accept homosexuals to be allowed to form families? One could look at their wish to live in a marriage, with children (adopted or natural born) and acting as responsible parents as being part of these values, not primary to dilute and twist them. For example, I can't see anything in that paragraph 6 you quoted that would stop same sex parents or married couples. Part of the argument seems to be that society can't bear the costs of extending marriage, possibility of children and family life to everyone, but if family life and its values is the holy grail of modern society, why not put up some money to strengthen it even this way? In Sweden the family and marriage, and some of the traditional values connected to this, are very much en vogue again. So, maybe it is quite reasonable and much in line with this current tendency to extend the values and benefits of family and marriage to citizens that have been barred from this by people and groups that claim the exclusive right to both concept and the social benefits and status on grounds of their sexual orientation. Yes, marriage is a concept with a long history in religion, but its history is only in part religious. Claiming that it is essentially a wholly religious concept somehow kidnapped by some evildoers with the agenda to erode morality, like CaptainHaplos post seem to indicate, is simply an opinion which ignores much of todays modern facts about what a family and marriage is, in most western countries. cheers Porphy __________________ "The only remedy for madness is the innocence of facts." O. Mirbeu "A paranoid is simply someone in possession of all the facts." W. B.