GWX3.0 Gold anomaly? Small merchant took 3 torps and all AP gun ammo to sink. WTF?

Reece · 05-10-09, 04:34 AM

Not wood, cork!!

What type of ship exactly, any screenie?

melnibonian · 05-10-09, 04:42 AM

My experience is that small ships usually sink with a single torpedo, although in some cases they tend to take a bit too long to go under. A few things you have to remember with respect to the torpedo hits are:

1. The angle at which to torpedo hits the target is important. If the angle is around 90 degrees you will manage to have the optimal explosion shock wave transfered to the target.

2. Where the target is hit is important. A hit very close to the bow usually is not too damaging as there are no vital compartments there. Hit a ship in the engine room or the fule bunker and you will do massive damage.

3. The running depth of the torpedo is vital. it's totally different to hit a target just bellow the water line in comparison with a hit deep down the hull.

nikbear · 05-10-09, 05:53 AM

I bet its one of them damn Passenger/cargo buggers delivering they're usual consighment of corks and ping-pong balls again

:rotfl:

irish1958 · 05-10-09, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nikbear

I bet its one of them damn Passenger/cargo buggers delivering they're usual consighment of corks and ping-pong balls again

:rotfl:

What did England do with all those ping-pong balls? I know Scotland put the corks to good use.

Captain Nemo · 05-11-09, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by melnibonian

2. Where the target is hit is important. A hit very close to the bow usually is not too damaging as there are no vital compartments there. Hit a ship in the engine room or the fule bunker and you will do massive damage.

Strange as I find hitting a ship in the bow area to be quite effective. Only this morning I sent a large merchant to the bottom with a single torpedo set to impact and a running depth of 4 metres which hit in the bow area.

To answer the original question, I find smaller ships can be more resilient and as another poster commented, passenger cargo ships are hard to sink with one torpedo, you need at least two hits on these ships in my experience. As for small merchants and tramp steamers a single hit in the bow normally dispatches them. If I hit these ships around the centre I find they stay afloat a good percentage of the time and need a further torpedo to finish them off.

Nemo

melnibonian · 05-11-09, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

Strange as I find hitting a ship in the bow area to be quite effective. Only this morning I sent a large merchant to the bottom with a single torpedo set to impact and a running depth of 4 metres which hit in the bow area.

Let me guess. Did you hit it just around the first mast? This is where the fuel is located. Large Merchants do blow up with a single hit just under the first mast due to this.

tiger_tim_34 · 05-12-09, 04:11 AM

Oh yes, corks of course. Thanks Reece.

I don't consider small ships worth a torp, unless I'm trying to take out a destroyer screen. But many thanks for your targeting area tips.

A few nights ago I had encouraging success when shooting a medium-sized merchant near the stern, which caused an explosion after just 250 rounds. However, I've just encountered another one of these seemingly indestructible smaller cargo ships and have emptied most of my AP rounds into the side of its stern, just below the waterline, with no effect.

What am I doing wrong? Do rounds that hit the water very near the hull fail to cause damage? Should I aim for underneath the funnel? Do fires on deck cause any damage whatsover?

And does ramming cause damage? I reduced a medium-sized cargo to limping across the Channel with its bow dipping *under* water, yet it would not sink. In my frustration (and out of ammo) I rammed the side of its stern at full speed but failed to inflict any discernable damage either on the cargo ship or, weirdly, my U-Boat.

As ever, my thanks again for your thoughts. God I love this sim.

BulSoldier · 05-12-09, 05:35 AM

I never ram targets cause it is more probable your boot going to sink rather damaging the hull of the ship.

Furthermore i dont find hard to destroy tramp steamers or small passenger/cargo ships hard to sink with a single torpedo, though usualy they take quite a while to sink.

However if you encounter single ship (unarmed ofcourse) i would advice to gun them down with the deck gun rather wasting a torp.20-30 round around the waterline are usualy enough.
For bigger targets (if they are in convoy and above 5-6000 tons) i use 2 torps, this is usualy enough.As mentioned in preveous posts deph of the torp is esential. I prefer aiming from 4-7 meters running depth of the all because if they run too deep they could hit the curved part of the hull and it gets frustrating not to blow

I hope i was useful.

Murr44 · 05-12-09, 06:16 AM

I sank a Greek small merchant yesterday with 1 torpedo. It was unarmed & appeared to be sailing alone so I had intended to destroy it with the deck gun. However when I got to about 1500m not 1 but 2 destroyers suddenly showed up & started nosing around!

I very quickly submerged & reduced speed to slow to avoid detection. Keeping an eye for our univited guests (the 2 escorts) I waited for the small merchant to settle down (reduce her speed and stop zig-zagging) and launched a T1 set to 8m from about 1600m. The T1 detonated just ahead of her bow & blew a big hole in it. We went down to 102m and went silent. After about 15 minutes (real time) the merchant went down and we slipped away undetected.

According to the GWX manual you should try for waterline & hull hits with the deck gun. They've (the GWX team) reduced the amount of damage that deck hits do.

tiger_tim_34 · 05-12-09, 06:17 AM

Yes, ramming that ship wasn't a brilliant idea. I had drunk a few emergency rations of whisky by then.

Perhaps I need to wait longer to see if my AP rounds have done the job? So long as there isn't a freak GWX3.0 unsinkable tramp steamer anomaly that you've all been finding, then I'll continue my deck gun attacks with renewed confidence.

Clearly, I just need to be (altogether now) more aggressive.

Captain Nemo · 05-15-09, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by melnibonian

Let me guess. Did you hit it just around the first mast? This is where the fuel is located. Large Merchants do blow up with a single hit just under the first mast due to this.

Yes I have had instances where the torp has hit around the first mast with spectacular fireworks display and the ship goes down immediately. A lot of the time though, I hit it in the bow area and it sails on, gradually sinking bow first until it stops and goes down.

Nemo

05-10-09, 04:34 AM	#1
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,746 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Not wood, cork!! What type of ship exactly, any screenie? __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

05-10-09, 04:42 AM	#2
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	My experience is that small ships usually sink with a single torpedo, although in some cases they tend to take a bit too long to go under. A few things you have to remember with respect to the torpedo hits are: 1. The angle at which to torpedo hits the target is important. If the angle is around 90 degrees you will manage to have the optimal explosion shock wave transfered to the target. 2. Where the target is hit is important. A hit very close to the bow usually is not too damaging as there are no vital compartments there. Hit a ship in the engine room or the fule bunker and you will do massive damage. 3. The running depth of the torpedo is vital. it's totally different to hit a target just bellow the water line in comparison with a hit deep down the hull. __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

05-10-09, 05:53 AM	#3
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	I bet its one of them damn Passenger/cargo buggers delivering they're usual consighment of corks and ping-pong balls again:rotfl: __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

05-12-09, 04:11 AM	#7
tiger_tim_34 Gunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 93 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Oh yes, corks of course. Thanks Reece. I don't consider small ships worth a torp, unless I'm trying to take out a destroyer screen. But many thanks for your targeting area tips. A few nights ago I had encouraging success when shooting a medium-sized merchant near the stern, which caused an explosion after just 250 rounds. However, I've just encountered another one of these seemingly indestructible smaller cargo ships and have emptied most of my AP rounds into the side of its stern, just below the waterline, with no effect. What am I doing wrong? Do rounds that hit the water very near the hull fail to cause damage? Should I aim for underneath the funnel? Do fires on deck cause any damage whatsover? And does ramming cause damage? I reduced a medium-sized cargo to limping across the Channel with its bow dipping under water, yet it would not sink. In my frustration (and out of ammo) I rammed the side of its stern at full speed but failed to inflict any discernable damage either on the cargo ship or, weirdly, my U-Boat. As ever, my thanks again for your thoughts. God I love this sim. Last edited by tiger_tim_34; 05-12-09 at 04:50 AM.

05-12-09, 05:35 AM	#8
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I never ram targets cause it is more probable your boot going to sink rather damaging the hull of the ship. Furthermore i dont find hard to destroy tramp steamers or small passenger/cargo ships hard to sink with a single torpedo, though usualy they take quite a while to sink. However if you encounter single ship (unarmed ofcourse) i would advice to gun them down with the deck gun rather wasting a torp.20-30 round around the waterline are usualy enough. For bigger targets (if they are in convoy and above 5-6000 tons) i use 2 torps, this is usualy enough.As mentioned in preveous posts deph of the torp is esential. I prefer aiming from 4-7 meters running depth of the all because if they run too deep they could hit the curved part of the hull and it gets frustrating not to blow I hope i was useful. __________________ By the hour !

05-12-09, 06:16 AM	#9
Murr44 Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 913 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I sank a Greek small merchant yesterday with 1 torpedo. It was unarmed & appeared to be sailing alone so I had intended to destroy it with the deck gun. However when I got to about 1500m not 1 but 2 destroyers suddenly showed up & started nosing around! I very quickly submerged & reduced speed to slow to avoid detection. Keeping an eye for our univited guests (the 2 escorts) I waited for the small merchant to settle down (reduce her speed and stop zig-zagging) and launched a T1 set to 8m from about 1600m. The T1 detonated just ahead of her bow & blew a big hole in it. We went down to 102m and went silent. After about 15 minutes (real time) the merchant went down and we slipped away undetected. According to the GWX manual you should try for waterline & hull hits with the deck gun. They've (the GWX team) reduced the amount of damage that deck hits do.

05-12-09, 06:17 AM	#10
tiger_tim_34 Gunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 93 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Yes, ramming that ship wasn't a brilliant idea. I had drunk a few emergency rations of whisky by then. Perhaps I need to wait longer to see if my AP rounds have done the job? So long as there isn't a freak GWX3.0 unsinkable tramp steamer anomaly that you've all been finding, then I'll continue my deck gun attacks with renewed confidence. Clearly, I just need to be (altogether now) more aggressive.