Same-sex marriage in Sweden/Gays in military - Page 11

XabbaRus · 05-06-09, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Since those marches started out as protests where the western countries were not tolerant of poofs can you think of any better place for them to march nowadays than countries that are still very intolerant .

I can't remember back as far as the first gay pride marches but (and correct me if I am wrong) but I dn't know if the marchers got beaten up by the coppers and bystanders nearly as much.

Although Luzhkov in Moscow is a large penis they mainly ban the marches for the safety of the marchers.

Like anything I don't care if someone is gay, bisexual or whatever but I don't like having it rammed down my throat (pardon the expression) which is what irritates me with the militant gays just like the militant eco freaks.

AVGWarhawk · 05-06-09, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saltysplash

The point I was making was, if homosexuality is to be described as an illness then it been around for a hell of a long time. In fact contrary to modern popular thinking, in certain civilisations such as in ancient Greece, it was the norm rather than something abhorant. if the writers of the scriptures are to be believed its been going on since men with big grey beards roamed the earth stroking their beards and looking for god inside bushes on fire.

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

Salty,

You lost me on the last line concerning the 'writer of the scriptures'.

Aramike · 05-06-09, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saltysplash

The point I was making was, if homosexuality is to be described as an illness then it been around for a hell of a long time. In fact contrary to modern popular thinking, in certain civilisations such as in ancient Greece, it was the norm rather than something abhorant. if the writers of the scriptures are to be believed its been going on since men with big grey beards roamed the earth stroking their beards and looking for god inside bushes on fire.

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

Without any more than anecdotal evidence, one could just as easily say that the Grecian tendencies towards homosexuality are nuture over nature, as the trend wasn't as prevailent in other societies.

Max2147 · 05-06-09, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Of course they were. Why else the constant wars of conquest if not to make room for expansion?

Because it's fun?

AVGWarhawk · 05-06-09, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Without any more than anecdotal evidence, one could just as easily say that the Grecian tendencies towards homosexuality are nuture over nature, as the trend wasn't as prevailent in other societies.

I would agree with this logic.

05-06-09, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Without any more than anecdotal evidence, one could just as easily say that the Grecian tendencies towards homosexuality are nuture over nature, as the trend wasn't as prevailent in other societies.

I believe it is nurture over nature in Greeces case, marriages back then (as far as I know) were more "Business Deals" between two families (Yes Christians, contrary to popular belief You didn't invent marriage!) And weren't that much about love, and when your in the army spending a lot of time away from women, well relationships can sort of spark...

Though I haven't really studied this.

Henry Wood · 05-06-09, 04:29 PM

I came across this thread by I don't know how ????

I'll be honest, I never followed all of the back-and-forward arguments 'cos I heard them all before over many, many years.

All I would say is, I am now exceedingly old and I am gay. I am coming towards the end of my life and whoever thinks this way of life is a "choice" is an ignoramus of the 1st degree. Does any single person who has a single brain cell imagine for one moment that at the age of 12 (for that is when I realised I was gay) at the age of 12 I said: "Oh, I want to be gay!" I could no more choose to be not gay than anyone else could decide how to live their life. All that happened is I realised I was attracted to the male of the species and not the female. It was no big deal, even in those days. I accepted it, except of course, I knew I most certainly had to keep it to myself. That came naturally. I could not discuss it with my parents, nor with my two brothers, nor my two sisters, and certainly not with any of my friends from those days.

I went to sea. I then had to be even more careful that I never, ever exhibited any "tendencies" and I must have been succesful as I did manage to rise to some degree of authority. I have never forgotten how powerless that authority really was when I received a signal from shore saying a certain junior officer had to be placed under arrest and to await the arrival of the "authorities" who would remove him from my ship.

His crime?

His flat had been broken into... His neighbours had informed the police... The police had entered the premises to "secure it"...

During their "securing" of the premises they happened to come across some copies of a magazine called "Gay Times". The investigating officer felt obliged to mention this to the naval authorities when he was asking them to inform the junior officer that his flat had been burgled.

I have never felt so helpless, nor so physically sick in my life at being unable to help that young man. I regret it to this day and it weighs heavy on me.

At the same time, to finish up, it is my own opinion that such things as gay adoption should not happen. Children are cruel. They pick on the "outsider". Apart from that, facts show that gay relationships do not last when compared to hetero relationships and the number of succesful relationships of all kinds is rapidly decreasing year on year.

Yes, I am gay.

No, I do not agree with "official gay marriages" and the like. In my day it was realised we were different, and we are! Why kid ourselves to want to be the same as *them*? We have never been the same as them from the very instant we accepted to ourselves just what we are. I put all of this present pressure for "acceptance/equality" down to bandwagon jumpers who are following the feminists' route. (Still, it seems to have done them alright, look at what Harriet HarPerson plans to do next in the UK with her "equality" laws.)

And as for "gay adoption" - definitely not! Think of the children!

All in all, I personally think the UK is buggered for want of a better word, but your mileage may vary.

Platapus · 05-06-09, 04:41 PM

Henry Wood,

Thank you for sharing your insight in to this matter.

I hope the "passionate" discussions on this board did not offend or bother you.

As I am want to remind our members in such threads; we do have gay members on this board, and we should be considerate of their feelings while "discussing" different viewpoints.

XabbaRus · 05-06-09, 04:44 PM

Well said Henry, I can't agree with you more.

Aramike · 05-06-09, 04:50 PM

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I am coming towards the end of my life and whoever thinks this way of life is a "choice" is an ignoramus of the 1st degree.

I think it is ignorant to believe that there aren't people who make the choice as well as people genetically predisposed.

Aramike · 05-06-09, 04:51 PM

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As I am want to remind our members in such threads; we do have gay members on this board, and we should be considerate of their feelings while "discussing" different viewpoints.

I don't disagree with this. However, I do find it odd that no one mentions extending this courtesy to, say, Christians.

I'm just making a social statement here.

Henry Wood · 05-06-09, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Henry Wood,

Thank you for sharing your insight in to this matter.

I hope the "passionate" discussions on this board did not offend or bother you.

As I am want to remind our members in such threads; we do have gay members on this board, and we should be considerate of their feelings while "discussing" different viewpoints.

Hi Platapus,
No offence will ever be taken by me. I am what I am and any person who cannot accept that must look to themselves.

I used to enjoy such discussions, but after a lifetime of them, and not much has changed, oh well ...

My own thoughts are perhaps some of the virulent/violent points of view we sometimes see today are expressions of some peoples' insecurities when a very different point of view is presented before them. And in years gone by, those different points of view were never, ever allowed to be presented.

Henry Wood · 05-06-09, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by saltysplash

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

LOL! At school Alexander was a great comfort to me.

Henry Wood · 05-06-09, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Quite often that level of vocal homophobia is a sign that the"homophobe" is really rather partial to back door deliveries themselves but likes to hide it .

After observing examples of such "vocal homophobia" in both the lower deck and the wardroom I have to agree with you.

(BTW, in the wardroom it was much more difficult to decipher the signs - the raised eyebrow might not only mean, "Steady on, old chap!" - it might also imply the Cowardesque, "Come up and see me sometime, just after my ship has sunk ... "
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034891/
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Skybird · 05-06-09, 05:34 PM

Henry,

no matter what some people may say, g(u/a)ys of a mind like yours surely are not the problem here.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,402 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Henry Wood, Thank you for sharing your insight in to this matter. I hope the "passionate" discussions on this board did not offend or bother you. As I am want to remind our members in such threads; we do have gay members on this board, and we should be considerate of their feelings while "discussing" different viewpoints. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Well said Henry, I can't agree with you more. __________________

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,725 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Henry, no matter what some people may say, g(u/a)ys of a mind like yours surely are not the problem here. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-06-09, 04:29 PM	#157
Henry Wood Sparky Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 150 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	I came across this thread by I don't know how ???? I'll be honest, I never followed all of the back-and-forward arguments 'cos I heard them all before over many, many years. All I would say is, I am now exceedingly old and I am gay. I am coming towards the end of my life and whoever thinks this way of life is a "choice" is an ignoramus of the 1st degree. Does any single person who has a single brain cell imagine for one moment that at the age of 12 (for that is when I realised I was gay) at the age of 12 I said: "Oh, I want to be gay!" I could no more choose to be not gay than anyone else could decide how to live their life. All that happened is I realised I was attracted to the male of the species and not the female. It was no big deal, even in those days. I accepted it, except of course, I knew I most certainly had to keep it to myself. That came naturally. I could not discuss it with my parents, nor with my two brothers, nor my two sisters, and certainly not with any of my friends from those days. I went to sea. I then had to be even more careful that I never, ever exhibited any "tendencies" and I must have been succesful as I did manage to rise to some degree of authority. I have never forgotten how powerless that authority really was when I received a signal from shore saying a certain junior officer had to be placed under arrest and to await the arrival of the "authorities" who would remove him from my ship. His crime? His flat had been broken into... His neighbours had informed the police... The police had entered the premises to "secure it"... During their "securing" of the premises they happened to come across some copies of a magazine called "Gay Times". The investigating officer felt obliged to mention this to the naval authorities when he was asking them to inform the junior officer that his flat had been burgled. I have never felt so helpless, nor so physically sick in my life at being unable to help that young man. I regret it to this day and it weighs heavy on me. At the same time, to finish up, it is my own opinion that such things as gay adoption should not happen. Children are cruel. They pick on the "outsider". Apart from that, facts show that gay relationships do not last when compared to hetero relationships and the number of succesful relationships of all kinds is rapidly decreasing year on year. Yes, I am gay. No, I do not agree with "official gay marriages" and the like. In my day it was realised we were different, and we are! Why kid ourselves to want to be the same as them? We have never been the same as them from the very instant we accepted to ourselves just what we are. I put all of this present pressure for "acceptance/equality" down to bandwagon jumpers who are following the feminists' route. (Still, it seems to have done them alright, look at what Harriet HarPerson plans to do next in the UK with her "equality" laws.) And as for "gay adoption" - definitely not! Think of the children! All in all, I personally think the UK is buggered for want of a better word, but your mileage may vary.