Same-sex marriage in Sweden/Gays in military - Page 2

Aramike · 05-06-09, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saltysplash

The point I was making was, if homosexuality is to be described as an illness then it been around for a hell of a long time. In fact contrary to modern popular thinking, in certain civilisations such as in ancient Greece, it was the norm rather than something abhorant. if the writers of the scriptures are to be believed its been going on since men with big grey beards roamed the earth stroking their beards and looking for god inside bushes on fire.

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

Without any more than anecdotal evidence, one could just as easily say that the Grecian tendencies towards homosexuality are nuture over nature, as the trend wasn't as prevailent in other societies.

AVGWarhawk · 05-06-09, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Without any more than anecdotal evidence, one could just as easily say that the Grecian tendencies towards homosexuality are nuture over nature, as the trend wasn't as prevailent in other societies.

I would agree with this logic.

Henry Wood · 05-06-09, 04:29 PM

I came across this thread by I don't know how ????

I'll be honest, I never followed all of the back-and-forward arguments 'cos I heard them all before over many, many years.

All I would say is, I am now exceedingly old and I am gay. I am coming towards the end of my life and whoever thinks this way of life is a "choice" is an ignoramus of the 1st degree. Does any single person who has a single brain cell imagine for one moment that at the age of 12 (for that is when I realised I was gay) at the age of 12 I said: "Oh, I want to be gay!" I could no more choose to be not gay than anyone else could decide how to live their life. All that happened is I realised I was attracted to the male of the species and not the female. It was no big deal, even in those days. I accepted it, except of course, I knew I most certainly had to keep it to myself. That came naturally. I could not discuss it with my parents, nor with my two brothers, nor my two sisters, and certainly not with any of my friends from those days.

I went to sea. I then had to be even more careful that I never, ever exhibited any "tendencies" and I must have been succesful as I did manage to rise to some degree of authority. I have never forgotten how powerless that authority really was when I received a signal from shore saying a certain junior officer had to be placed under arrest and to await the arrival of the "authorities" who would remove him from my ship.

His crime?

His flat had been broken into... His neighbours had informed the police... The police had entered the premises to "secure it"...

During their "securing" of the premises they happened to come across some copies of a magazine called "Gay Times". The investigating officer felt obliged to mention this to the naval authorities when he was asking them to inform the junior officer that his flat had been burgled.

I have never felt so helpless, nor so physically sick in my life at being unable to help that young man. I regret it to this day and it weighs heavy on me.

At the same time, to finish up, it is my own opinion that such things as gay adoption should not happen. Children are cruel. They pick on the "outsider". Apart from that, facts show that gay relationships do not last when compared to hetero relationships and the number of succesful relationships of all kinds is rapidly decreasing year on year.

Yes, I am gay.

No, I do not agree with "official gay marriages" and the like. In my day it was realised we were different, and we are! Why kid ourselves to want to be the same as *them*? We have never been the same as them from the very instant we accepted to ourselves just what we are. I put all of this present pressure for "acceptance/equality" down to bandwagon jumpers who are following the feminists' route. (Still, it seems to have done them alright, look at what Harriet HarPerson plans to do next in the UK with her "equality" laws.)

And as for "gay adoption" - definitely not! Think of the children!

All in all, I personally think the UK is buggered for want of a better word, but your mileage may vary.

05-06-09, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Without any more than anecdotal evidence, one could just as easily say that the Grecian tendencies towards homosexuality are nuture over nature, as the trend wasn't as prevailent in other societies.

I believe it is nurture over nature in Greeces case, marriages back then (as far as I know) were more "Business Deals" between two families (Yes Christians, contrary to popular belief You didn't invent marriage!) And weren't that much about love, and when your in the army spending a lot of time away from women, well relationships can sort of spark...

Though I haven't really studied this.

Henry Wood · 05-06-09, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by saltysplash

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

LOL! At school Alexander was a great comfort to me.

05-06-09, 09:41 AM

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What I don't understand is why the gay pride people insist on marching in countries which are not as tolerant as in western europe

Since those marches started out as protests where the western countries were not tolerant of poofs can you think of any better place for them to march nowadays than countries that are still very intolerant .

XabbaRus · 05-06-09, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Since those marches started out as protests where the western countries were not tolerant of poofs can you think of any better place for them to march nowadays than countries that are still very intolerant .

I can't remember back as far as the first gay pride marches but (and correct me if I am wrong) but I dn't know if the marchers got beaten up by the coppers and bystanders nearly as much.

Although Luzhkov in Moscow is a large penis they mainly ban the marches for the safety of the marchers.

Like anything I don't care if someone is gay, bisexual or whatever but I don't like having it rammed down my throat (pardon the expression) which is what irritates me with the militant gays just like the militant eco freaks.

05-06-09, 04:29 PM	#3
Henry Wood Sparky Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 150 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	I came across this thread by I don't know how ???? I'll be honest, I never followed all of the back-and-forward arguments 'cos I heard them all before over many, many years. All I would say is, I am now exceedingly old and I am gay. I am coming towards the end of my life and whoever thinks this way of life is a "choice" is an ignoramus of the 1st degree. Does any single person who has a single brain cell imagine for one moment that at the age of 12 (for that is when I realised I was gay) at the age of 12 I said: "Oh, I want to be gay!" I could no more choose to be not gay than anyone else could decide how to live their life. All that happened is I realised I was attracted to the male of the species and not the female. It was no big deal, even in those days. I accepted it, except of course, I knew I most certainly had to keep it to myself. That came naturally. I could not discuss it with my parents, nor with my two brothers, nor my two sisters, and certainly not with any of my friends from those days. I went to sea. I then had to be even more careful that I never, ever exhibited any "tendencies" and I must have been succesful as I did manage to rise to some degree of authority. I have never forgotten how powerless that authority really was when I received a signal from shore saying a certain junior officer had to be placed under arrest and to await the arrival of the "authorities" who would remove him from my ship. His crime? His flat had been broken into... His neighbours had informed the police... The police had entered the premises to "secure it"... During their "securing" of the premises they happened to come across some copies of a magazine called "Gay Times". The investigating officer felt obliged to mention this to the naval authorities when he was asking them to inform the junior officer that his flat had been burgled. I have never felt so helpless, nor so physically sick in my life at being unable to help that young man. I regret it to this day and it weighs heavy on me. At the same time, to finish up, it is my own opinion that such things as gay adoption should not happen. Children are cruel. They pick on the "outsider". Apart from that, facts show that gay relationships do not last when compared to hetero relationships and the number of succesful relationships of all kinds is rapidly decreasing year on year. Yes, I am gay. No, I do not agree with "official gay marriages" and the like. In my day it was realised we were different, and we are! Why kid ourselves to want to be the same as them? We have never been the same as them from the very instant we accepted to ourselves just what we are. I put all of this present pressure for "acceptance/equality" down to bandwagon jumpers who are following the feminists' route. (Still, it seems to have done them alright, look at what Harriet HarPerson plans to do next in the UK with her "equality" laws.) And as for "gay adoption" - definitely not! Think of the children! All in all, I personally think the UK is buggered for want of a better word, but your mileage may vary.