Evasion Suggestions

vanjast · 04-22-09, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Well, this might work in the game but in RL you can't control the depth of the submarine without some speed (or the use of the pumps which make more noise than slow engine speed from what I heard). So if you want to play realistically you should maintain at least some slow speed all of the time.

This was so with SH3's RUB, but not with RFB... makes you think... why did they change the 'plan'.. didn't they like Uboats

Actually it's all about bouyancy, which is controllable to a certain degree - with RUB I think they got it right as I had to cruise about 1 knot minimum to stay level. Now with RFB, I can just park off

Folducker · 04-22-09, 03:37 PM

I guess so far, I have been pretty lucky. The half dozen or so attacks I have made on convoys haven't resulted in much in the way of ASW counterattacks. By going below the layer and silent right away, I haven't been detected. The Japanese destroyers have a good time beating up the ocean in spots where I'm not. I think this will probably change later on, now I am in January '43. I have to laugh when I go to the external view and see a group of destroyers gathered in a circle with their spot lights on and every now and then one of them makes a run through the center of the circle and drops. Don't know what they are trying to kill as long as it's not me!

Armistead · 04-22-09, 03:54 PM

I'm sure you're aware of TMO1.7 is up and running. Might want to load it up after this career.

In TMO, you must evade, not toy around at slow speeds, constantly keeping a narrow profile. You want to get out of the circle of death ASAP.
They ping, take off. If they go over you, flank. I go anywhere from 1 knot to flank when evading. Only time I'm silent is when they stop.

One easy tip that really works if you have no damage, go deeper than default. I won't tell what crush depths I've found, but you can usually go another 100 ft without a problem.

Remember weather and sea conditions play a huge role, moreso in TMO. You would be surprised what you can get by with in rough seas and how little you can get by when the sea is mirror calm.

When attacking one of the most important things I've found is quick periscope takes. Leave that scope up long and they will be alerted.
I get the right tracking, speed, aob, ect., then go to about 100 feet for shooting. I don't like showing my scope within 1000 yards.

Before the attack...silent and not give yourself away. After, I'm usually out of the circle of death before they start searching. Just remember if one contacts you, he calls his friends.

Rockin Robbins · 04-22-09, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanjast

This was so with SH3's RUB, but not with RFB... makes you think... why did they change the 'plan'.. didn't they like Uboats

Actually it's all about bouyancy, which is controllable to a certain degree - with RUB I think they got it right as I had to cruise about 1 knot minimum to stay level. Now with RFB, I can just park off

Actually, RUB got it wrong too. I forget how it works. NYGM made the sub slightly buoyant and RUB slightly negative, or the other way around. Actually the situation is MUCH more complicated. Not only is there an unpredictable fluctuation in buoyancy, meaning that you can randomly be slightly positive OR negative, buoyancy can be different at the bow than the stern, setting your trim off. Things can get quickly out of hand in a hovering submarine and none of the mods can get it right without random effects, which we don't have and can't make. Better to leave things alone and just play realistically than have some hokey inaccurate effect. You should always keep at least half a knot on for stability. That's close enough to power off that it doesn't matter and you are being realistic.

Now I'll toss the monkey wrench into the works. It WAS possible in one circumstance to hover a sub power off for hours on end. This was done several times successfully during the war and saved a couple of subs. Want to guess how it was done? It did not involve sitting on the bottom.

old_tex · 04-22-09, 09:30 PM

[quote=Now I'll toss the monkey wrench into the works. It WAS possible in one circumstance to hover a sub power off for hours on end. This was done several times successfully during the war and saved a couple of subs. Want to guess how it was done? It did not involve sitting on the bottom.[/quote]

My guess would be getting people forward or aft as the bubble moved.

Old_tex

04-22-09, 03:37 PM	#2
Folducker Mate Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 53 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I guess so far, I have been pretty lucky. The half dozen or so attacks I have made on convoys haven't resulted in much in the way of ASW counterattacks. By going below the layer and silent right away, I haven't been detected. The Japanese destroyers have a good time beating up the ocean in spots where I'm not. I think this will probably change later on, now I am in January '43. I have to laugh when I go to the external view and see a group of destroyers gathered in a circle with their spot lights on and every now and then one of them makes a run through the center of the circle and drops. Don't know what they are trying to kill as long as it's not me!

04-22-09, 03:54 PM	#3
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I'm sure you're aware of TMO1.7 is up and running. Might want to load it up after this career. In TMO, you must evade, not toy around at slow speeds, constantly keeping a narrow profile. You want to get out of the circle of death ASAP. They ping, take off. If they go over you, flank. I go anywhere from 1 knot to flank when evading. Only time I'm silent is when they stop. One easy tip that really works if you have no damage, go deeper than default. I won't tell what crush depths I've found, but you can usually go another 100 ft without a problem. Remember weather and sea conditions play a huge role, moreso in TMO. You would be surprised what you can get by with in rough seas and how little you can get by when the sea is mirror calm. When attacking one of the most important things I've found is quick periscope takes. Leave that scope up long and they will be alerted. I get the right tracking, speed, aob, ect., then go to about 100 feet for shooting. I don't like showing my scope within 1000 yards. Before the attack...silent and not give yourself away. After, I'm usually out of the circle of death before they start searching. Just remember if one contacts you, he calls his friends.

04-22-09, 09:30 PM	#5
old_tex Gunner Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Posts: 94 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	[quote=Now I'll toss the monkey wrench into the works. It WAS possible in one circumstance to hover a sub power off for hours on end. This was done several times successfully during the war and saved a couple of subs. Want to guess how it was done? It did not involve sitting on the bottom.[/quote] My guess would be getting people forward or aft as the bubble moved. Old_tex