Silent Hunter Survey! WTH? - Page 2

Task Force · 04-15-09, 10:15 PM

I took it... would have been nice to put the last ones so you could give them #s on a scale of importance.

04-15-09, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

I don't believe I fall into the Moaners catagory.

The Doers catagory yes.

The Survey is to limited for me to respond to in a way
that makes sense to me.

To actually answer it would require I fib or ignore how
the answers would be used.

Might be fine for most.
But won't cut the Mustard for me.

Any other slams?

Would You Answer the Questions
Live On TeamSpeak?

Here

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=150302

Or Here On The Subsim Calendar,

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/cale...&day=2009-4-19

Kpt. Lehmann · 04-15-09, 11:12 PM

I completed it as well, but had a really hard time answering most of the questions for the same sort of reasons that OLC pointed out.

Subsim and/or Ubisoft isn't going to get reliable information unless they are more specific with their line of questioning.

What I mean specifically, is that they need to state whether or not they expect us to rate matters WITH or WITHOUT aftermarket mods.

LukeFF · 04-16-09, 01:29 AM

Geez people, it's just a simple little survey. No need to make a big production about it.

Kpt. Lehmann · 04-16-09, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

I completed it as well, but had a really hard time answering most of the questions for the same sort of reasons that OLC pointed out.

Subsim and/or Ubisoft isn't going to get reliable information unless they are more specific with their line of questioning.

What I mean specifically, is that they need to state whether or not they expect us to rate matters WITH or WITHOUT aftermarket mods.

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Originally Posted by LukeFF

Geez people, it's just a simple little survey. No need to make a big production about it.

< Pats LukeFF on the back... >

Congrats man. You've really shown your superior intelligence this time.

Now put your helmet back on and go back to licking the window. You missed a spot.

d@rk51d3 · 04-16-09, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Perhaps the developers really want to get an idea from you, the player, the modder, the moaners in hopes SH5 can come out of the box in a great state of organization and content

Just a thought.

My thoughts too.

danlisa · 04-16-09, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Perhaps the developers really want to get an idea from you, the player, the modder, the moaners in hopes SH5 can come out of the box in a great state of organization and content

Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by d@rk51d3

My thoughts too.

Then perhaps they'd be better reading the multitude of threads which discuss the personal requests of simmers here at Subsim.

No offense to Neal but the Survey was generic and lacked any specifics. Hell, with the answers I gave, Ubi could think that I want an eye candy, console based side scroller (if that was the intent of the survey).

Anyway, I based my answers on stock versions of both games, which actually means they both pretty much suck.

d@rk51d3 · 04-16-09, 02:31 AM

Yes, but most people here at Subsim (devs included) already know what we want, we've all bitched, moaned, argued, fought and separated over it for years now, so why make a survey of it?

But it is strange that it resurfaces now, and by Neals hand nonetheless.

danlisa · 04-16-09, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by d@rk51d3

But it is strange that it resurfaces now, and by Neals hand nonetheless.

The average Texan, son, doesn't take a dump without a plan.

Oneshot/Onekill · 04-16-09, 03:15 AM

I answered it also. Although I found it very difficult to answer honestly. I just whish there would have been more room for self explanation on most of the questions asked. The only one I think that you could give self explanation on had something to do with how often do you play SH3 or SH4, and there was a line to give an explanation as to why.

Unfortunately looking back at my answers in hind sight I answered thinking of how well modded the game was. I wish I had taken danlisa's approach.

Nisgeis · 04-16-09, 03:23 AM

Unfortunately, it's extremely difficult to write a survey that everyone will interpret in the same way. With a poorly written survey, everyone interprets the question differently and they all give an answer based on that question. What you end up with is a whole series of answers to in effect, lots of different questions, as if they'd all filled out different surveys. This obviously leads to skewed results, when those answers are reconciled with the original meaning the question writer had in mind.

JScones · 04-16-09, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Oneshot/Onekill

I answered it also. Although I found it very difficult to answer honestly. I just whish there would have been more room for self explanation on most of the questions asked. The only one I think that you could give self explanation on had something to do with how often do you play SH3 or SH4, and there was a line to give an explanation as to why.

Unfortunately looking back at my answers in hind sight I answered thinking of how well modded the game was. I wish I had taken danlisa's approach.

Don't worry, I made the same mistake. I compared my experiences with a heavily modified SH3 against my experiences with stock SH4; the survey provided no context or guidance.

Anyway there was a comment field somewhere and that's where I placed my ultimate problem with SH4, which is fundamentally what I hope (and expect) not to happen with SH5.

onelifecrisis · 04-16-09, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeFF

Geez people, it's just a simple little survey. No need to make a big production about it.

But... we don't get out much... and this survey, well it's all new and shiny...

makman94 · 04-16-09, 04:50 AM

well, my opinion is that Neal must say first what purpose this survey is servicing and then ask to fill it.

martes86 · 04-16-09, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

< Pats LukeFF on the back... >

Congrats man. You've really shown your superior intelligence this time.

Now put your helmet back on and go back to licking the window. You missed a spot.

With regards to the survey (the actual topic), I gladly answered, I'm happy that we get asked about our opinions, no matter the questions. I put "Very Important" in a lot of spots, but, it's good to be taken into account anyway. And so should be glad anyone else, as the opposite is being ignored by the developer. So, be it badly or well written, the survey is very welcome.

Cheers

04-15-09, 10:15 PM	#16
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I took it... would have been nice to put the last ones so you could give them #s on a scale of importance. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

04-15-09, 11:12 PM	#18
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,995 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	I completed it as well, but had a really hard time answering most of the questions for the same sort of reasons that OLC pointed out. Subsim and/or Ubisoft isn't going to get reliable information unless they are more specific with their line of questioning. What I mean specifically, is that they need to state whether or not they expect us to rate matters WITH or WITHOUT aftermarket mods. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock Last edited by Kpt. Lehmann; 04-16-09 at 01:44 AM.

04-16-09, 01:29 AM	#19
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	Geez people, it's just a simple little survey. No need to make a big production about it. __________________ ROW Sound Effects Contributor RFB Team Leader

04-16-09, 02:31 AM	#23
d@rk51d3 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,952 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0	Yes, but most people here at Subsim (devs included) already know what we want, we've all bitched, moaned, argued, fought and separated over it for years now, so why make a survey of it? But it is strange that it resurfaces now, and by Neals hand nonetheless. Last edited by d@rk51d3; 04-16-09 at 02:41 AM.

04-16-09, 03:23 AM	#26
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	Unfortunately, it's extremely difficult to write a survey that everyone will interpret in the same way. With a poorly written survey, everyone interprets the question differently and they all give an answer based on that question. What you end up with is a whole series of answers to in effect, lots of different questions, as if they'd all filled out different surveys. This obviously leads to skewed results, when those answers are reconciled with the original meaning the question writer had in mind. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

04-16-09, 04:50 AM	#29
makman94 Hellas Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,325 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 7	well, my opinion is that Neal must say first what purpose this survey is servicing and then ask to fill it.