a shocking CCTV video about violence in a bus.

AVGWarhawk · 04-13-09, 07:32 AM

This is why some folks do not belong in the gene pool. It is a shame that these things happen....and daily. All you can hope for is that one day the instigators pick the wrong person to screw with and they get the butts handed to them.

Skybird · 04-13-09, 08:23 AM

The result of too less education and/or too much pedagogics and missing deterrance of the legal system.

The symptom of bystanders and groups witnessing a crime not doing anything, not even calling help, is not new to social psychology. Even murder could happen with people just looking, doing nothing.

Concerning myself, I learned by experience that the more people are around me, the less help I could expect in case I would need help. the bigger the group, the more rason the individual has to assume tha he/she doesnot count, and any of the other would do something. But today, our societies also live by the principle of cowardice, and de facto weakness. Responsibility is delegated to others, and is handed over to institutions. If you pick up respinsibility yourself, you couldf even end up seeing yourself in conflict with the law, and social standards.

It makes me sick. qweakness is no virtue, and no sign of civilisation. It never is anything else but - weakness. Many of us feel the lack there is. That'S why it gives us a feeling of satisfaction to celebrate non-conformist people that dare to violate the expected victim-role, and that we then label as "heroes", like the captain and that crew of that US freighter that just got hijacked and where the crew fought back instead of turning into a flock of sheep.

P.S. The Public Transportation Service BVG in Berlin has many dozens of cases from the past months only where juveniles attacked the bus drivers, beat and kicked them, spitting at them, pulling their hairs, etc. Often it is filmed via cellphones. It has become an epidemic problem in Berlin. They now have started to add plexiglass "armour" around the driver's cabin in busses.

there is more behind it as if it could be solved by courts alone. It is reaching deep into our rotting societies and failing social standards that are the symptom of our falling civilisation.

Onkel Neal · 04-13-09, 08:53 AM

Hmm... I couldn't tell who started it? The dope with the scarf (wearing a scarf in public, isn't that asking for trouble?

) appears to go over to white hoodie and then drags him to the ground...

At one point, one bystander trips one of the thugs, and gets punched in the face. Then he gets another punch as the thug is leaving.

Problem with the others not helping, half of them are women, and they only get in a fighting mood if you mess with their money. Another problem with getting involved, you jump in the middle of something like that, next thing you know the knives come out and you're slashed and stabbed to death. Oh yeah, and most people are nice, normal people without enough aggression to be effective fighters.

All it takes if one CHL carrier to shot that down with a bang. Where's Bernie Goetz when you need him?

Schroeder · 04-13-09, 09:36 AM

I didn't watch the clip but by the reactions here I can guess what it is about. Well, there is a simple answer why no one is helping. Can you be sure that the guy next to you will help too? Or will you face those thugs all alone? As long as you can't be sure that the others will stand by your side you should think twice before trying to help someone. What good is bravery if you end up dead or heavily injured because all the others continued to look the other way? Let alone that a lot of people are not in a fighting shape (me included). I could only serve as an extra sandbag in such a situation.

My question is more, what makes people so aggressive these days? There is no limit any more in the use of violence. People get beaten to death for minor things or nothing at all.

Sometimes my species is making me sick.

Dowly · 04-13-09, 10:11 AM

Those gits are obviously way drunk or high on something, especially the wanker in the white hoody. Drag them behind the sauna and put a round to their heads. ****ing idiots.

EDIT: Ow and Neal, if you watch closely when the git in the green adidas thingy goes to the guy in scarf the first time, you can see the other ****face in the white hoody takes something out of the scarf's pocket. And you can see the scarf trying to search for it before realising the white bossum took it.

HunterICX · 04-13-09, 10:37 AM

They took his wallet, and when he tried to get it back hell broke lose.

HunterICX

Kapitan_Phillips · 04-13-09, 10:40 AM

Thats an occassion when I would have intervened. Sure there may have been knives, but there's a line.

Frame57 · 04-13-09, 10:46 AM

Where is Billy Jack when you need him?

SpeedyPC · 04-13-09, 10:45 AM

Welcome to the real world and trust no one unless otherwise.

Onkel Neal · 04-13-09, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Those gits are obviously way drunk or high on something, especially the wanker in the white hoody. Drag them behind the sauna and put a round to their heads. ****ing idiots.

EDIT: Ow and Neal, if you watch closely when the git in the green adidas thingy goes to the guy in scarf the first time, you can see the other ****face in the white hoody takes something out of the scarf's pocket. And you can see the scarf trying to search for it before realising the white bossum took it.

Ah, I see. One thing I noted for sure, I would never stand with my back to people like Scarfy. That's just dumb. Even at the end, he has his guard down.

I agree with Schroeder, it's hard for most people to get involved, they know that could lead to serious pain, injury, and death. And they don't know if they will be alone in stepping forward. When they have time to talk and formulate a plan, like the heroes on United 93, they can do incredibly brave things.

04-13-09, 07:32 AM	#1
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	This is why some folks do not belong in the gene pool. It is a shame that these things happen....and daily. All you can hope for is that one day the instigators pick the wrong person to screw with and they get the butts handed to them. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-13-09, 08:23 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,696 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The result of too less education and/or too much pedagogics and missing deterrance of the legal system. The symptom of bystanders and groups witnessing a crime not doing anything, not even calling help, is not new to social psychology. Even murder could happen with people just looking, doing nothing. Concerning myself, I learned by experience that the more people are around me, the less help I could expect in case I would need help. the bigger the group, the more rason the individual has to assume tha he/she doesnot count, and any of the other would do something. But today, our societies also live by the principle of cowardice, and de facto weakness. Responsibility is delegated to others, and is handed over to institutions. If you pick up respinsibility yourself, you couldf even end up seeing yourself in conflict with the law, and social standards. It makes me sick. qweakness is no virtue, and no sign of civilisation. It never is anything else but - weakness. Many of us feel the lack there is. That'S why it gives us a feeling of satisfaction to celebrate non-conformist people that dare to violate the expected victim-role, and that we then label as "heroes", like the captain and that crew of that US freighter that just got hijacked and where the crew fought back instead of turning into a flock of sheep. P.S. The Public Transportation Service BVG in Berlin has many dozens of cases from the past months only where juveniles attacked the bus drivers, beat and kicked them, spitting at them, pulling their hairs, etc. Often it is filmed via cellphones. It has become an epidemic problem in Berlin. They now have started to add plexiglass "armour" around the driver's cabin in busses. there is more behind it as if it could be solved by courts alone. It is reaching deep into our rotting societies and failing social standards that are the symptom of our falling civilisation. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 04-13-09 at 10:33 AM.

04-13-09, 08:53 AM	#3
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Hmm... I couldn't tell who started it? The dope with the scarf (wearing a scarf in public, isn't that asking for trouble? ) appears to go over to white hoodie and then drags him to the ground... At one point, one bystander trips one of the thugs, and gets punched in the face. Then he gets another punch as the thug is leaving. Problem with the others not helping, half of them are women, and they only get in a fighting mood if you mess with their money. Another problem with getting involved, you jump in the middle of something like that, next thing you know the knives come out and you're slashed and stabbed to death. Oh yeah, and most people are nice, normal people without enough aggression to be effective fighters. All it takes if one CHL carrier to shot that down with a bang. Where's Bernie Goetz when you need him? __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

04-13-09, 09:36 AM	#4
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I didn't watch the clip but by the reactions here I can guess what it is about. Well, there is a simple answer why no one is helping. Can you be sure that the guy next to you will help too? Or will you face those thugs all alone? As long as you can't be sure that the others will stand by your side you should think twice before trying to help someone. What good is bravery if you end up dead or heavily injured because all the others continued to look the other way? Let alone that a lot of people are not in a fighting shape (me included). I could only serve as an extra sandbag in such a situation. My question is more, what makes people so aggressive these days? There is no limit any more in the use of violence. People get beaten to death for minor things or nothing at all. Sometimes my species is making me sick. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

04-13-09, 10:37 AM	#6
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	They took his wallet, and when he tried to get it back hell broke lose. HunterICX __________________

04-13-09, 10:11 AM	#5
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Those gits are obviously way drunk or high on something, especially the wanker in the white hoody. Drag them behind the sauna and put a round to their heads. **ing idiots. EDIT: Ow and Neal, if you watch closely when the git in the green adidas thingy goes to the guy in scarf the first time, you can see the other **face in the white hoody takes something out of the scarf's pocket. And you can see the scarf trying to search for it before realising the white bossum took it.

04-13-09, 10:40 AM	#7
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Thats an occassion when I would have intervened. Sure there may have been knives, but there's a line. __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

04-13-09, 10:46 AM	#8
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Where is Billy Jack when you need him? __________________ "My Religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds." Albert Einstein

04-13-09, 10:45 AM	#9
SpeedyPC Officer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 241 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 0	Welcome to the real world and trust no one unless otherwise.