Questions from the noob...

Rockin Robbins · 04-12-09, 06:49 PM

Not in Thunder Below, I don't think. There were some extended conversations about decoys on Subsim about a year ago and I recall the answer we ended up with was no confirmed use of these decoys during the war.

I've never used them because of those discussions.

04-12-09, 07:50 PM

i dont ever recall john wayne using them either

MonTana_Prussian · 04-12-09, 08:28 PM

I'm still looking,I KNOW I read it

Sniper31 · 04-12-09, 09:16 PM

Do flares and chaff qualify? Oops, wait a minute...wrong sim...Morale Officer! Another drink please!

NEON DEON · 04-12-09, 10:20 PM

On Fluckey's last patrol, He had all kinds of stuff. Rocekts, MK27s and MK28s.

He also had Pillenwurfer bubblers/gassers and swim out beacons. He got caught in a tight spot and used them all at the same time to get away from 3 escorts in shallow water. The swim out beacons simulated sub noises.

The decoys made so much noise that they blanked out the sonar.

The story is on page 340 and 341 of Thunder Below.

Akula4745 · 04-13-09, 06:34 AM

Well I was really interested more in differing technique than validity... but it is an interesting side note on these tools availability during the war. So am I to understand that most players do NOT use the decoys and noisemakers?

Thanks all.
Akula4745

Torplexed · 04-13-09, 07:12 AM

I've used them in SH3, but never in SH4 because it feels ahistorical and out of place with the theater. I believe the common procedure in SH3 is to drop a line of them at intervals to make a big sonar target and then depart the line at a right angle, but against multiple escorts I've never seen it work.

NEON DEON · 04-13-09, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akula4745

Well I was really interested more in differing technique than validity... but it is an interesting side note on these tools availability during the war. So am I to understand that most players do NOT use the decoys and noisemakers?

Thanks all.
Akula4745

Oh tactics.

Crashdive at flank. when you get to 40 meters and level drop a decoy and go hard to port or starboard 90 degrees(knuckle). When the turn is almost complete drop your speed to 1/3 and rig for silent running. Dive below the thermal layer when the turn is finished. Once below the layer crawl away at 2 knots. Try to keep your stern pointed to the closest escorts sonar contact.

AVGWarhawk · 04-13-09, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Not in Thunder Below, I don't think. There were some extended conversations about decoys on Subsim about a year ago and I recall the answer we ended up with was no confirmed use of these decoys during the war.

I've never used them because of those discussions.

Decoys were available very late war and not used much if at all.

04-13-09, 09:32 AM

yep, most tactics players use in the game are based on real tactics recorded used in the war and since they didnt have decoys untill the war was almost over they never had much time or oportunity to use them enough to develope standard tactics for them.

i cant disable it because the german side actually used decoys but i believe i will remove the decoys icon in GFO because as stated, its not very realistic to have them on fleet boats.

04-12-09, 06:49 PM	#1
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Not in Thunder Below, I don't think. There were some extended conversations about decoys on Subsim about a year ago and I recall the answer we ended up with was no confirmed use of these decoys during the war. I've never used them because of those discussions. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

04-12-09, 09:16 PM	#4
Sniper31 Mate Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA, Hawaii Posts: 56 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Do flares and chaff qualify? Oops, wait a minute...wrong sim...Morale Officer! Another drink please! __________________ RSRDC & TMO USER

04-12-09, 10:20 PM	#5
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	On Fluckey's last patrol, He had all kinds of stuff. Rocekts, MK27s and MK28s. He also had Pillenwurfer bubblers/gassers and swim out beacons. He got caught in a tight spot and used them all at the same time to get away from 3 escorts in shallow water. The swim out beacons simulated sub noises. The decoys made so much noise that they blanked out the sonar. The story is on page 340 and 341 of Thunder Below. __________________ Diesel Boats Forever!

04-13-09, 06:34 AM	#6
Akula4745 Convicted Ship Killer Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Just out of sight... plotting your course and speed Posts: 846 Downloads: 371 Uploads: 1	Well I was really interested more in differing technique than validity... but it is an interesting side note on these tools availability during the war. So am I to understand that most players do NOT use the decoys and noisemakers? Thanks all. Akula4745 __________________ Akula4745 "If you sit by the river long enough... the body of your enemy will float by -- SunTzu"

04-13-09, 07:12 AM	#7
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I've used them in SH3, but never in SH4 because it feels ahistorical and out of place with the theater. I believe the common procedure in SH3 is to drop a line of them at intervals to make a big sonar target and then depart the line at a right angle, but against multiple escorts I've never seen it work. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

04-12-09, 07:50 PM	#2
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	i dont ever recall john wayne using them either

04-12-09, 08:28 PM	#3
MonTana_Prussian Ensign Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Helena,Montana Posts: 234 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm still looking,I KNOW I read it

04-13-09, 09:32 AM	#10
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	yep, most tactics players use in the game are based on real tactics recorded used in the war and since they didnt have decoys untill the war was almost over they never had much time or oportunity to use them enough to develope standard tactics for them. i cant disable it because the german side actually used decoys but i believe i will remove the decoys icon in GFO because as stated, its not very realistic to have them on fleet boats.