Type IX/D2

Rockin Robbins · 03-21-09, 03:26 PM

They took American "scrap" and fitted them with some underwater streamlining after the war, no mods to the working gear itself and outperformed the Type XXI on the surface and submerged.And this with an actual battle tested fightable submarine, not some wet behind the ears wishful thought that never saw combat. After all the Type XXI was just copying the World War I shape of the American S-Boat. We abandoned better underwater performance for good reason and the results showed the Americans were right.

American scrap was better than an untested and not ready for prime-time Type XXI, much less any other German U-Boat. They could have streamlined the fleet boat for increased underwater performance any time, but it would have made it a much less effective fighting machine by encouraging the ostrich strategy of fighting a submarine. Diesel submarines are surface craft that can submerge for the shortest possible amount of time when it's absolutely necessary. When fought that way they are maximally effective. The best submarine for that purpose by far is the American fleet boat.

By the way, I am surprised that your name passes the smell test here at SUBSIM. It sure doesn't pass mine.

Onkel Neal · 03-21-09, 09:59 PM

Yeah, Soni, I'm afraid we'll have to shorten your name. While all Subsim members respect the accomplishments of the Kriegsmarine in war, we do not want to give off the appearance of glorifying the Nazis.

Besides, it will be quicker for you to log in with Kapitan Soniboy

Rockin Robbins · 03-22-09, 08:23 AM

Economy is good! Welcome to Subsim Kapitan Soniboy. Your name is now green, saving millions of scarce electrons every year!

03-21-09, 03:26 PM	#1
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	They took American "scrap" and fitted them with some underwater streamlining after the war, no mods to the working gear itself and outperformed the Type XXI on the surface and submerged.And this with an actual battle tested fightable submarine, not some wet behind the ears wishful thought that never saw combat. After all the Type XXI was just copying the World War I shape of the American S-Boat. We abandoned better underwater performance for good reason and the results showed the Americans were right. American scrap was better than an untested and not ready for prime-time Type XXI, much less any other German U-Boat. They could have streamlined the fleet boat for increased underwater performance any time, but it would have made it a much less effective fighting machine by encouraging the ostrich strategy of fighting a submarine. Diesel submarines are surface craft that can submerge for the shortest possible amount of time when it's absolutely necessary. When fought that way they are maximally effective. The best submarine for that purpose by far is the American fleet boat. By the way, I am surprised that your name passes the smell test here at SUBSIM. It sure doesn't pass mine. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 03-21-09 at 05:11 PM.

03-21-09, 09:59 PM	#2
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Yeah, Soni, I'm afraid we'll have to shorten your name. While all Subsim members respect the accomplishments of the Kriegsmarine in war, we do not want to give off the appearance of glorifying the Nazis. Besides, it will be quicker for you to log in with Kapitan Soniboy __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

03-22-09, 08:23 AM	#3
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Economy is good! Welcome to Subsim Kapitan Soniboy. Your name is now green, saving millions of scarce electrons every year! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS