Report: Slain US Nazi hated Obama, had parts for 'dirty bomb'

[August]

Eh, a nazi is a nazi in my opinion.

Trying to make distinctions between the various flavors just obscures the most important point about them. The neos might not hold a patch to the originals but imo they are just one charismatic leader away from being potentially just as dangerous. They are hate and violence and ruthlessness personified and we allow their cancer to fester if we allow them to exist.

Besides, their very existance is a direct slap to the millions who suffered, bled and died opposing ,or just getting in the way of, that hated banner. If a person takes it up again now it is a conscious choice to associate themselves with the crimes committed under it.

[Schlageter-JG26]

Dirty bombs, as I understood them, were not a mass effect weapon. Typically the radioactive material would be mated with a high explosive much like the grapes go with a claymore. Detonate and it spreads the dust. Radioactivity from the blast would not kill people, especially not in the short-term. But it WOULD irradiate the area indefinitely, cause mass hysteria and migration, and require extensive and expensive clean up and removal. So pop one of these firecrackers in NYC and you'd have a big bill on your hands.

I don't believe it was a dirty bomb, but there was a case in point in Brazil or some south american country in memorable history. They pretty much scooped up a whole portion of a town, dumped it in cargo containers, and stacked them all up somewhere out of the way.

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by heartc

Which is easy now and quite meaningless because they are dead (please don't confuse skin-headed radical dumbasses with the Nazis from the 30s and 40s.)

There is a saying which is quite true: The longer Hitler has been dead, the more resistance there is against him.

Meanwhile the dictator of Iran is building the bomb.

I don't agree with you on that one. The current skinheads and such are Nazis. They believe in the Nazis' racist view of the world, which was at the very core of Nazism.

I do distinguish between Nazis and Fascists. Fascism pre-dated Nazism, and when you examine both systems closely there actually isn't a whole lot in common. Before Mussolini fell under Hitler's control, the Italian Fascists saw race as a non-issue. They certainly weren't nice guys, but they weren't the pure evil of the Nazis. In a lot of ways they were simply a run of the mill dictatorship.

[Biggles]

I usually go after the saying:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

But when it comes to nazis...I just feel that I'd better shut my ears for a moment...

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Biggles

I usually go after the saying:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

But when it comes to nazis...I just feel that I'd better shut my ears for a moment...

But the word makes for catchy headlines, sells copies, and stirs emotions. Misson accomplished.

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Max2147

I don't agree with you on that one. The current skinheads and such are Nazis. They believe in the Nazis' racist view of the world, which was at the very core of Nazism.

I do distinguish between Nazis and Fascists. Fascism pre-dated Nazism, and when you examine both systems closely there actually isn't a whole lot in common. Before Mussolini fell under Hitler's control, the Italian Fascists saw race as a non-issue. They certainly weren't nice guys, but they weren't the pure evil of the Nazis. In a lot of ways they were simply a run of the mill dictatorship.

The Nazis were not just about racism. A big part of their ideology was about granting power to a superior state-being, taking care of all the misery and percieved unfairness that was faced by the individuals. Much of it was giving up individualism to gain safety and rightousness through a determined state power. That is why they called themselves National SOCIALISTS. That was NOT just a trick to get the classical "workforce" on board. It was a major point of their very idea. To unite ALL Germans - the intelecutal elite, the "edcuated" and the "worforce" behind them. In fact, their success in portraying themselves as that grant "uniting force" was what made many Germans fall for them - their racism was what people tended to look over in favor of which was promised to them in exchange (the rebuilding of Germany, and putting the country back on a strong international political and economic basis). Keep in mind that Nazi-Germany was allied with e.g. a number of Arabic leaders, which were FAR away from any "Germanic" culture. Also there were a number of e.g. Slavic SS divisions Nazi-Germany had no problem with integrating them into her fighting forces. While on the other hand, they destroyed the German Jews, many of whom had fought for Germany in WWI. They were really racist indeed, but more in ways which they deemed to help them into power. They needed scapegoats who they could easily punish. But it was not what they saw as their sole reason for existance. Racism against elected "races" was part of their ideology, but their goal was building a superior German state that would rule over not only the German people, but all who they deemed to be inferior and in their way. The Nazis were megalomatics, who in believed in no higher being other than the state, which was impersonated by the "Führer". Deeming themselves as "ubber", racism was an effect of that. It was not the ultimate goal however. The ultimate goal, the very idea of the Nazis, was to subject any individual to the superior state power. The individual just being a tool of a greater power, which is the nation, which is lead to eternal greatness by percieved semi-supernatural individuals such as the Führer. Racism was the logical effect of that.

What I wanted to say is that before I worry about a bunch of racist skin headed dumbasses, I rather worry about people who put too much trust in the state, in naive believe and in matters which instead should be their own responsibility. Because trusting too much into the state power in my opinion is MUCH closer to what made the Nazis rise than a bunch of drunken moronic neanderthal skinheads shouting slogans from 60 years back. They are at worst criminals and should be put into prison on hard terms when they act in criminal ways - but they are no threat to our democracy. But when people stop believing in the rights, abilities, responsiblities and possibilities of the individual, and put more and more of their trust into the state power, THEN we should start worrying about Nazism again. About National SOCIALISM.

[Happy Times]

[QUOTE=heartc]

Originally Posted by Max2147

What I wanted to say is that before I worry about a bunch of racist skin headed dumbasses, I rather worry about people who put too much trust in the state, in naive believe and in matters which instead should be their own responsibility. Because trusting too much into the state power in my opinion is MUCH closer to what made the Nazis rise than a bunch of drunken moronic neanderthal skinheads shouting slogans from 60 years back. They are at worst criminals and should be put into prison on hard terms when they act in criminal ways - but they are no threat to our democracy. But when people stop believing in the rights, abilities, responsiblities and possibilities of the individual, and put more and more of their trust into the state power, THEN we should start worrying about Nazism again. About National SOCIALISM.

Excatly, many people in Finland expect the state to solve every problem possible to avoid any responsibility themselfs.

The state apparatus with its byrocratic serfs gets more arrogant every year.
Increasing its power over the idiotic politicians that dont represent the interest of the people.

Our constitution is ok, not as solid as in the US but it has been ignored there also so..

If some has some nice colonie somewhere, im ready to leave now for a new start.