Longest evasion ???

TheDudTorpedo · 03-03-09, 04:24 AM

Oh...thats a good point Otto - I didn't even think to check the battery level afterwards, but I suspect you are correct : it probably bumnped back down to 1TC, otherwise it would have been dead batteries for sure.

I never encountered such a determined destroyer before, but the end of 1942 is supposed to be a really tough time for the U-boat fleet - perhaps very well modelled in the SH3 AI?

03-03-09, 04:41 AM

I still mising something in this topic. Ok lets say DD was after you constantly while your depth was 200 meters. Was the DD pinging you ?

You see it is not necessary that DD has to ping you in order to throw his DC right onto your bridge. Historically yes they had to ping you to get the depth and pitch of your u-boat.
BUT in SH3 it is enough for DD to hear you on his passive sonar and DC will come straight down at you even without pinging.

So in other words you should be dead by now or the DD had to be long gone by the time you woke up.

But if he ran out of depth charges it is explainable

However if you maintained silent running and is such depth the DD had to let you go if there was no ping.

TheDudTorpedo · 03-03-09, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Contact

I still mising something in this topic. Ok lets say DD was after you constantly while your depth was 200 meters. Was the DD pinging you ?

Yes, thats correct Contact - he seemed to be pinging me on and off for the entire duration of the pursuit. When I came back to the PC, and scrolled the message screen back several hours there were several repeat messages of "Enemy is pinging us Sir". In addition I used to external camera, and indeed the DD was still circling my position and the pinging was still active. Hence, my rash (and lucky) stern torpedo shot in an attempt to surface to get a game save.

03-03-09, 05:41 AM

Now that explains things

When destroyers already has the improved sonars and happy times begins to feel not so happy

You could of try to go deeper to ~230 meters trying to rise stern towards destroyer to lower your echo but if DD got a lock on you in close range and is circuling around there are low chances of escape though..

Somebody represented a decoy tactics wish I found usefull in certain cases and made a copy of it. Pasting..

"strategic use of decoys...
What i have done in the past is launch decoys in the following manner.
While diving after the initial attack start a 270 degree turn, release a decoy every 45 degrees of heading change
lets assume you start at 000 degrees
here is the procedure
order a depth of 220 meters
start a right turn
rig for silent running
at heading 045 - launch decoy
at heading 090 - launch decoy
at heading 135 - launch decoy
at heading 180 - launch decoy
at heading 225 - launch decoy
at heading 270 - launch decoy - stop turn - continue dive to about 220 meters
this will create a descending spiral of decoys... the destroyers will be receiving seven echo returns when they ping...
6 decoys and 1 u-boat. this forces them to decide which return is the actual u-boat and then attack it...
they have a 1 in 7 chance of selecting the right target... hopefully the selected a decoy instead of your boat.
sneak away at 220 meters depth making gentle 15 degree turns left and right.
never increasing speed never surfacing or never securing from silent running until you are sure you have escaped.
the problem with this strategy is you use up pretty much all of your decoys in the process, but you can refit at a supply ship."
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My Note: if you got spoted by an escort near the convoy, the use of every bold decoy will attract additional escorts to your location. It works like expression "every stick has its own second side". So it's up to you, to try evase one DD without bolds at close range to convoy or at least try to entice away it from the rest of the convoy and then use bolds and try to escape. Or to use bolds in close range with the convoy where you will be deffinetly be starting the depth charge party and it is not very gratifying

TheDudTorpedo · 03-03-09, 09:04 AM

Ah thanks for the tip about using the decoys in that spiral pattern - I will definately try that because so far I haven't had much success with them at all.

03-03-09, 04:24 AM	#1
TheDudTorpedo Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 128 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Oh...thats a good point Otto - I didn't even think to check the battery level afterwards, but I suspect you are correct : it probably bumnped back down to 1TC, otherwise it would have been dead batteries for sure. I never encountered such a determined destroyer before, but the end of 1942 is supposed to be a really tough time for the U-boat fleet - perhaps very well modelled in the SH3 AI?

03-03-09, 04:41 AM	#2
Contact Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I still mising something in this topic. Ok lets say DD was after you constantly while your depth was 200 meters. Was the DD pinging you ? You see it is not necessary that DD has to ping you in order to throw his DC right onto your bridge. Historically yes they had to ping you to get the depth and pitch of your u-boat. BUT in SH3 it is enough for DD to hear you on his passive sonar and DC will come straight down at you even without pinging. So in other words you should be dead by now or the DD had to be long gone by the time you woke up. But if he ran out of depth charges it is explainable However if you maintained silent running and is such depth the DD had to let you go if there was no ping.

03-03-09, 05:41 AM	#4
Contact Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Now that explains things When destroyers already has the improved sonars and happy times begins to feel not so happy You could of try to go deeper to ~230 meters trying to rise stern towards destroyer to lower your echo but if DD got a lock on you in close range and is circuling around there are low chances of escape though.. Somebody represented a decoy tactics wish I found usefull in certain cases and made a copy of it. Pasting.. "strategic use of decoys... What i have done in the past is launch decoys in the following manner. While diving after the initial attack start a 270 degree turn, release a decoy every 45 degrees of heading change lets assume you start at 000 degrees here is the procedure order a depth of 220 meters start a right turn rig for silent running at heading 045 - launch decoy at heading 090 - launch decoy at heading 135 - launch decoy at heading 180 - launch decoy at heading 225 - launch decoy at heading 270 - launch decoy - stop turn - continue dive to about 220 meters this will create a descending spiral of decoys... the destroyers will be receiving seven echo returns when they ping... 6 decoys and 1 u-boat. this forces them to decide which return is the actual u-boat and then attack it... they have a 1 in 7 chance of selecting the right target... hopefully the selected a decoy instead of your boat. sneak away at 220 meters depth making gentle 15 degree turns left and right. never increasing speed never surfacing or never securing from silent running until you are sure you have escaped. the problem with this strategy is you use up pretty much all of your decoys in the process, but you can refit at a supply ship." ================================================== ==== My Note: if you got spoted by an escort near the convoy, the use of every bold decoy will attract additional escorts to your location. It works like expression "every stick has its own second side". So it's up to you, to try evase one DD without bolds at close range to convoy or at least try to entice away it from the rest of the convoy and then use bolds and try to escape. Or to use bolds in close range with the convoy where you will be deffinetly be starting the depth charge party and it is not very gratifying

03-03-09, 09:04 AM	#5
TheDudTorpedo Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 128 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Ah thanks for the tip about using the decoys in that spiral pattern - I will definately try that because so far I haven't had much success with them at all.