[WIP] The Offical Post of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod

ivank · 02-22-09, 07:05 PM

To be included in TSWSM is my Hilfskreuzer and AMC mod, however I need correct gun placement and other details for my ships.
Atlantis has provided great information to be in the past, however I need something else. Does anyone have blueprints or know a website where I can get blueprints or profile drawings of the German raiders? I have 2 profile pictures as of now but only one of them really helps me!
If you know of any please PM me or post it here!

HK Pinquin:

Sledgehammer427 · 02-22-09, 10:55 PM

well, I would think that the Kormoran would have the same weapon placement as the Pinguin.
I'm sure you checked out WW2db.com to see if they have good enough pictures of the ship to discern the gunports. (if it looks like a large porthole or a vent, go for it.)

But im not sure how to make the ships lighted. Ask the GWX cronies (no offense to the GWX crew, amazing work they will do for GWX 4, methinks)

ivank · 02-22-09, 11:47 PM

thanks man! going to check out that website now

ivank · 02-22-09, 11:54 PM

they have no pictures of any of the raiders!

Sledgehammer427 · 02-23-09, 12:07 AM

*cough*here*cough*
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/hilfskr...uzer_menu.html
try that one on for size!

Don't die of a heart attack, but i almost forgot that one

ivank · 02-23-09, 03:13 PM

Yea I have tons of pictures from that website site, but only a few like 5 actually show the gun placement. And they do not have any blueprints/profile drawings.

polyfiller · 02-23-09, 05:53 PM

OK folks - time to start a debate about balancing armour values v gun penetration values. Question is do we;

1) Reduce all armour values to match the stock AP values for guns (best AP value is 65 for a 16IN gun).

or

2) Modify both the armour values and better balance the AP values for all guns ?

For reference I've been checking out data here;

http://www.combinedfleet.com/f_guns.htm

Now given that stock largest armour value is 96 (for Yamato and many other BB's) and that the Yamato's maximum armour value in RL is around 25.6 inches, that means if we divide 96 by 25.6 we get around 3.75. So if we then multiply armour values for the turrets of,, say, the Bismark, we get a proposed armour value in game of 64 mm.

Trouble is that I'm not sure if the game accomodates the effect of range on penetration. If not, then we need to acheive some sort of compromise i.e. if we use 96 as a base value, combined with the above link, then the Yamato 16IN guns should be able to penetrate it's own armour thickness at somewhere between 5000 and 10000 yds... but not over 10000 yds. So should we set the Yamato's armour value to 96 for turrets and the AP value for the gun to somewhere just below 96 ?

Anyone got any other thoughts ideas on this front ?

Gewehr98 · 03-04-09, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivank

Yea I have tons of pictures from that website site, but only a few like 5 actually show the gun placement. And they do not have any blueprints/profile drawings.

http://dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/KM_Pinguin_1939/

Behold. Builder's blueprints for Pinguin.

linerkiller · 03-01-09, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivank

To be included in TSWSM is my Hilfskreuzer and AMC mod, however I need correct gun placement and other details for my ships.
Atlantis has provided great information to be in the past, however I need something else. Does anyone have blueprints or know a website where I can get blueprints or profile drawings of the German raiders? I have 2 profile pictures as of now but only one of them really helps me!
If you know of any please PM me or post it here!

HK Pinquin:

Download "Fall of the Rising sun" by AOTD Madmax and look at the new Hilfskreuzer model...it's fantastic, better than the real one

!!

Sledgehammer427 · 03-01-09, 09:18 PM

mmm, I'll have to check that out

ivank · 03-03-09, 06:44 PM

Any news, on the raiders or other ships?

Sledgehammer427 · 03-04-09, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivank

Any news, on the raiders or other ships?

not yet, dont worry, im working, through a 3 page english paper

"why does the human race have such a fascination with the unknown?"
*flip tab*
"raise the deck house a little, gawd, that mast looks horrible, gotta make a replacement"
*flip tab back*
"perhaps it is because as a race, we are set with our own little manifest destiny to figure out everythign about EVERYTHING!"

:rotfl:

ivank · 03-04-09, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivank

Any news, on the raiders or other ships?

not yet, dont worry, im working, through a 3 page english paper

"why does the human race have such a fascination with the unknown?"
*flip tab*
"raise the deck house a little, gawd, that mast looks horrible, gotta make a replacement"
*flip tab back*
"perhaps it is because as a race, we are set with our own little manifest destiny to figure out everythign about EVERYTHING!"

:rotfl:

lol! okay, just wanted to know how work has been.

mickey117 · 03-05-09, 01:54 AM

lol im a noob i no nut wat does TSWSM mean???

iambecomelife · 03-06-09, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivank

Any news, on the raiders or other ships?

not yet, dont worry, im working, through a 3 page english paper

"why does the human race have such a fascination with the unknown?"
*flip tab*
"raise the deck house a little, gawd, that mast looks horrible, gotta make a replacement"
*flip tab back*
"perhaps it is because as a race, we are set with our own little manifest destiny to figure out everythign about EVERYTHING!"

:rotfl:

I know the feeling - Now that I finished my own paper I am back to modding.

(And wondering about what grade I'm going to get!)

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02-22-09, 07:05 PM	#1
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	Help Needed To be included in TSWSM is my Hilfskreuzer and AMC mod, however I need correct gun placement and other details for my ships. Atlantis has provided great information to be in the past, however I need something else. Does anyone have blueprints or know a website where I can get blueprints or profile drawings of the German raiders? I have 2 profile pictures as of now but only one of them really helps me! If you know of any please PM me or post it here! HK Pinquin: __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1 Last edited by ivank; 02-24-09 at 08:45 PM.

02-22-09, 10:55 PM	#2
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	well, I would think that the Kormoran would have the same weapon placement as the Pinguin. I'm sure you checked out WW2db.com to see if they have good enough pictures of the ship to discern the gunports. (if it looks like a large porthole or a vent, go for it.) But im not sure how to make the ships lighted. Ask the GWX cronies (no offense to the GWX crew, amazing work they will do for GWX 4, methinks) __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

02-22-09, 11:47 PM	#3
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	thanks man! going to check out that website now __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

02-22-09, 11:54 PM	#4
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	they have no pictures of any of the raiders! __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

02-23-09, 12:07 AM	#5
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	coughherecough http://www.bismarck-class.dk/hilfskr...uzer_menu.html try that one on for size! Don't die of a heart attack, but i almost forgot that one __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C! Last edited by Sledgehammer427; 02-23-09 at 12:18 AM.

02-23-09, 03:13 PM	#6
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	Yea I have tons of pictures from that website site, but only a few like 5 actually show the gun placement. And they do not have any blueprints/profile drawings. __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

02-23-09, 05:53 PM	#7
polyfiller Weps Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 359 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	OK folks - time to start a debate about balancing armour values v gun penetration values. Question is do we; 1) Reduce all armour values to match the stock AP values for guns (best AP value is 65 for a 16IN gun). or 2) Modify both the armour values and better balance the AP values for all guns ? For reference I've been checking out data here; http://www.combinedfleet.com/f_guns.htm Now given that stock largest armour value is 96 (for Yamato and many other BB's) and that the Yamato's maximum armour value in RL is around 25.6 inches, that means if we divide 96 by 25.6 we get around 3.75. So if we then multiply armour values for the turrets of,, say, the Bismark, we get a proposed armour value in game of 64 mm. Trouble is that I'm not sure if the game accomodates the effect of range on penetration. If not, then we need to acheive some sort of compromise i.e. if we use 96 as a base value, combined with the above link, then the Yamato 16IN guns should be able to penetrate it's own armour thickness at somewhere between 5000 and 10000 yds... but not over 10000 yds. So should we set the Yamato's armour value to 96 for turrets and the AP value for the gun to somewhere just below 96 ? Anyone got any other thoughts ideas on this front ?

03-01-09, 09:18 PM	#10
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	mmm, I'll have to check that out __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

03-03-09, 06:44 PM	#11
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	Any news, on the raiders or other ships? __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

03-05-09, 01:54 AM	#14
mickey117 Gunner Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 92 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	?? lol im a noob i no nut wat does TSWSM mean??? __________________ SH3 WARSHIP MOD WITH GWX 3.0 > http://www.bts-mods.com/?page=sh3user=mickey117 PART OF SUPER SURFACE WARFARE MOD > http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=144946 {FIGHT TO THE LAST SHELL}