The stimulus bill, and how the 3rd and 4th most powerful people in the world act

Fr8monkey · 02-18-09, 01:51 PM

'its just another "us vs. them" mentality... and my friends nothing is more dangerous in a bipartisan democracy than to host the "us vs. them" attitude.'

How bipartisian was the republican senate? Recall the term 'up or down vote'? The Repub leaders wouldn't even let the Dems. hold meetings for gods sake.... atleast Obama met with the leadership of the opposing party. Did Bush? No.

How about atleast 15 Repubs. were going to vote for the bill untill the leadership threatened them.

GoldenRivet · 02-18-09, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

'its just another "us vs. them" mentality... and my friends nothing is more dangerous in a bipartisan democracy than to host the "us vs. them" attitude.'

How bipartisian was the republican senate? Recall the term 'up or down vote'? The Repub leaders wouldn't even let the Dems. hold meetings for gods sake.... atleast Obama met with the leadership of the opposing party. Did Bush? No.

How about atleast 15 Repubs. were going to vote for the bill untill the leadership threatened them.

more us vs them BS like i mentioned.

Fr8Monkey... open your eyes bro... my post accused NO PARTICULAR PARTY

it accused BOTH

bipartisanship in America can best be described as

tits up... pushing daisys... dead... it ceases to be...

bipartisanship is no more

and BOTH parties and all of those folks blindly loyal to their parties are to blame.

Fr8monkey · 02-18-09, 05:10 PM

Rivet, Sorry. Wasn't digging on you... just using the 'bipartisan' as a point I always get from the right leaners I talk to.

Truce?

BTW, Google is your friend http://opportunitiesaplenty.com/Debt...onal_debt.html

Let's see... Getting loans from china at the expense of national soverinty (Bush) or Putting money into schools, infrastructure, job placement, etc.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090214/..._who_gets_what .

I'll go with option #2

@ Warhawk... Quoting Fox "news" is just proving how you reall lean.

Dan D · 02-18-09, 05:37 PM

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...subsidized loans that do not require repayment...

Is that true, August?

I have read, they are planning the same here in Germany.

Why not "repayment is due within 10 years" ? Do you have any idea?
I don't get it.

It took me a while to find where i said that! I'm sorry to say that it's a joke Dan.

You can get your personal stimulus earmark as well:

http://www.reason.com/stimulus/request.php

Oh; I see. It was a joke. :-)
Well, let's hope, this remains as a joke.
What I find a bit worrysome, is that you hear a lot about stimulus plans which is fine by me in general, but rarely about the pay back thing. This is not wise on the political side, I think. They have to sell their shice to the voters. May be, they should point out more, that nothing is for free and that loans are to be repaid even when it is the automobile industry, banks etc. The man on the street has always been taught the hard lesson: When it starts to rain, the bank takes away your umbrella.
"Bail out plan".

AVGWarhawk · 02-18-09, 07:18 PM

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@ Warhawk... Quoting Fox "news" is just proving how you reall lean.

Just as any other news stations. So bro, I do not get shivers up my leg when I see Barry O. I do not shed a tear listening to his speeches. I do not feel all warm and fuzzy inside watching a rockstar president. But hey, that is just me. I do not lean to the right. I'm standing in it.

surf_ten · 02-18-09, 09:00 PM

We really need a legimate 3rd party in the US. The Left vs Right debates do nothing but further the divisions among us. I would classify most Americans as moderates who are sandwich between the two extremes.

As a middle class person, I willing to pay my fair share as long as our government spends my contribution in a responsible manner. I feel the American government is failing in it's constitutional duty of providing representation of the average citizen. Each party is guilty of fiscal irresponsiblity. The Dems are the tax and spend party but the Repubs are no better as the debt and spend party. I am tired of keeping a balance budget for my household and watch my representatives piss away money of the taxpayers.

I think the Obama's/Dems 'stimulus' bill is nothing short of gross financial irresponsibility. I can't see how crawling further into debt can relieve a crisis that was caused by banks despensing out bad loans (debt) like pez candies. However,
if Obama/Dem's stimulus package was meant to be truely benefical then I would think that the bulk of the money would be used to rebuild our nation's factories/manfacturing infrastructure instead of setting up bribes for future votes.

I personally believe lowering taxes seem more of logical course of action in preventing deflation. Giving people back their money in hopes that they spend it and put it back into the economy.

I really want my representatives to practice fiscal responsibility. Is that too much to ask for?

August · 02-18-09, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by surf_ten

We really need a legimate 3rd party in the US. The Left vs Right debates do nothing but further the divisions among us. I would classify most Americans as moderates who are sandwich between the two extremes.

I don't see where a third party would do anything except make a voters decision go from picking which half of his rights he wants to jeopardize to which 2/3rds. What you call the middle would rapidly become the third point in an equal triangle.

GoldenRivet · 02-18-09, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Rivet, Sorry. Wasn't digging on you... just using the 'bipartisan' as a point I always get from the right leaners I talk to.

Truce?

BTW, Google is your friend http://opportunitiesaplenty.com/Debt...onal_debt.html

Let's see... Getting loans from china at the expense of national soverinty (Bush) or Putting money into schools, infrastructure, job placement, etc.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090214/..._who_gets_what .

I'll go with option #2

@ Warhawk... Quoting Fox "news" is just proving how you reall lean.

truce

first off no matter how heated things might get discussion wise... we are friends here.

second... Obviously the choice would be #2 (reinvest in america), but myself and so many other people are so jaded in our political system that its a matter of seeing is believing. When you take almost 10% of the ENTIRE WORLD's GDP and dump it into big businesses in america you are only setting the next generation up for an absolute nightmare!

in the mean time, i see tax money that I paid-in going into the pockets of big businesses - many of which don't deserve to be in business any longer - and that cash is also funding America's turn toward socialism.

I believe that you are who you make yourself into... and i HATE these worth-nothing lay-abouts who collect MY tax dollars to sit at home and get drunk all day. as far as im concerned they need to get off their asses and go to work somewhere - anywhere.

Home of the free
Land of the handouts

thats what we have become.

02-18-09, 01:51 PM	#1
Fr8monkey Captain Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 518 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	'its just another "us vs. them" mentality... and my friends nothing is more dangerous in a bipartisan democracy than to host the "us vs. them" attitude.' How bipartisian was the republican senate? Recall the term 'up or down vote'? The Repub leaders wouldn't even let the Dems. hold meetings for gods sake.... atleast Obama met with the leadership of the opposing party. Did Bush? No. How about atleast 15 Repubs. were going to vote for the bill untill the leadership threatened them. __________________ NASA's budget in 2011... $19 billion. Result: Hi-resolution images from 127 million miles away. AT&T's budget in 2011... $20 billion. Result: Still can't get any signal from my bathroom.

02-18-09, 05:10 PM	#3
Fr8monkey Captain Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 518 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Rivet, Sorry. Wasn't digging on you... just using the 'bipartisan' as a point I always get from the right leaners I talk to. Truce? BTW, Google is your friend http://opportunitiesaplenty.com/Debt...onal_debt.html Let's see... Getting loans from china at the expense of national soverinty (Bush) or Putting money into schools, infrastructure, job placement, etc.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090214/..._who_gets_what . I'll go with option #2 @ Warhawk... Quoting Fox "news" is just proving how you reall lean. __________________ NASA's budget in 2011... $19 billion. Result: Hi-resolution images from 127 million miles away. AT&T's budget in 2011... $20 billion. Result: Still can't get any signal from my bathroom.

02-18-09, 09:00 PM	#6
surf_ten Loader Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 90 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	We really need a legimate 3rd party in the US. The Left vs Right debates do nothing but further the divisions among us. I would classify most Americans as moderates who are sandwich between the two extremes. As a middle class person, I willing to pay my fair share as long as our government spends my contribution in a responsible manner. I feel the American government is failing in it's constitutional duty of providing representation of the average citizen. Each party is guilty of fiscal irresponsiblity. The Dems are the tax and spend party but the Repubs are no better as the debt and spend party. I am tired of keeping a balance budget for my household and watch my representatives piss away money of the taxpayers. I think the Obama's/Dems 'stimulus' bill is nothing short of gross financial irresponsibility. I can't see how crawling further into debt can relieve a crisis that was caused by banks despensing out bad loans (debt) like pez candies. However, if Obama/Dem's stimulus package was meant to be truely benefical then I would think that the bulk of the money would be used to rebuild our nation's factories/manfacturing infrastructure instead of setting up bribes for future votes. I personally believe lowering taxes seem more of logical course of action in preventing deflation. Giving people back their money in hopes that they spend it and put it back into the economy. I really want my representatives to practice fiscal responsibility. Is that too much to ask for?