[WIP] The Offical Post of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod

ivank · 02-08-09, 02:00 PM

RL has slowed production of the Super-Mod, but work will pick back up soon. I am still hoping for a May release of Version 1, or at least a beta.

What need to be done for TSWSM: Version 1:

SHIPS:
-Renown-class (BC)
-Admiral class (BC)
-Revenge class (BB)
-Queen Elizabeth class (BB)
-Nelson class (BB)
-County class (CA)
-York class (CA)
-Leander class (CL)
-Town class (CL)
-Dido class (CL)
-Flower class (PG)
-Black Swan (PG)
-V&W class (DD)
-Tribal class (DD)
-Mod Leander (CL)
-Bismarck class (BB)
-Scharnhorst class (BC)
-Deutschland class (PBB)
-Admiral Hipper class (CA)
-K-class (CL)
-Type 34 (DD)
-Type 36 (DD)
-H-39 class (BB)

CAMPAIGN:
Convoys
Patrol Objectives
Minor issues with bases
Coastal batteries

DAMAGE MODEL:
Needs to be finalized and added to all ships

VOICE:
Need new voices for the German, British, Australian navys

DarkFish · 02-08-09, 02:50 PM

A new feature for TSWSM: Playable DCs!
Now we can finally take revenge for all the ships we sank as a sub commander!

(oops... forgot to delete that huge radar antenna from the bridge)

It are altered torpedoes that behave as depth charges.
You can sink moving AI u-boats with them, although the subs can't dive/surface, in other words have a fixed depth (currently 50m for testing, will change it to something deeper)

tater · 02-08-09, 02:58 PM

Is the fixed depth set by the end of run? GREAT work.

You might consider this:

Make multiple DC "torpedoes." Have them named based on set-depth. So you can drag the DCs in the racks/throwers until you have the desired pattern of depths.

For IJN ships these would be 30m settings (30m, 60m, 90m, then later 120m).

DarkFish · 02-08-09, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Is the fixed depth set by the end of run?

well no, in fact it is a torpedo with a magnetic detonator detonating when it comes anywhere within 5m of the sub. If it doesn't hit a sub it'll reach 60m where the DC controller comes in again and makes it explode anyway (without doing much damage though). So having a number of torpedoes for different depths wouldn't work, as they only damage the sub on impact anyway. The depthcharge controller only controls the effect for the case there is no collision.

ivank · 02-08-09, 05:20 PM

loving the DC's

tater · 02-08-09, 05:32 PM

Remove the magnetic radius, or make it vanishingly small.

Where did you put the DC controller.

I'm interested in this, since the IJN didn't aim DCs at particular depths, but set the depths at 30, 60, 90m, etc, then threw patterns. SH4 has AI override the detonation depth.

antarcite · 02-11-09, 03:40 PM

somebody can help to install this mod?

where I obtain the necessary files and where I place them in the SH4
It is simple?

Thanks for your help

DarkFish · 02-11-09, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Remove the magnetic radius, or make it vanishingly small.

I think the enemy would then be very hard if not impossible to hit. In real life DCs usually didn't get that close to the enemy's sub either. 5m off is IMO a very good archievement for an escort commander.
Also, there's a limit to the magnetic detonition radius. If I make it too small the DC controller will make it explode before the torpedo controller will. And in that case you won't get any renown.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Where did you put the DC controller.

In the sim file. The DC controller only controls the sinking speed and the explosion in the event the enemy sub is missed (when it reaches a set depth below the submarine, for now 60m, sub depth = 50m).

keltos01 · 02-16-09, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Is the fixed depth set by the end of run?

well no, in fact it is a torpedo with a magnetic detonator detonating when it comes anywhere within 5m of the sub. If it doesn't hit a sub it'll reach 60m where the DC controller comes in again and makes it explode anyway (without doing much damage though). So having a number of torpedoes for different depths wouldn't work, as they only damage the sub on impact anyway. The depthcharge controller only controls the effect for the case there is no collision.

then it behaves more like a hedgehog than a dc : direct hit instead of shock wave.

keltos

tater · 02-16-09, 03:12 PM

Yeah, contact or proximity DCs are far more effective than "normal" DCs going off at set depth.

In testing DC mods, I have watched... way way too many DC attacks.

In many cases, I was looking for what would happen with a near contact hit, and they'd sink right past and blow well beneath the boat. Basically, with the way the AI treats depth error on DCs, ~1/3 blow above you, about 1/3 below, and the remaining 1/3 at around your depth. A 5m proximity DC would result in 3 times as many hits, since ALL of the above thirds would actually have hit your sub.

tater · 02-16-09, 03:17 PM

Other idea for ya for the DCs.

You are using torpedoes. So presumably they are auto-loaded, OR the player can drag them to each "tube."

Assuming you cannot make "set depth" work, make several DC types. They all look identical, and make the names that show up to the player identical.

Each has a different proximity setting. 1 type is set to 1-2 m, another the 5m you have now, another to 10m, and perhaps one to 20-40m.

Now, you dump DCs, and some go off without the possibility of damage, some will shake the sub, others might blow right next to the target. Ideally they'd be loaded sort of randomly on the racks.

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02-08-09, 02:00 PM	#1
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	RL has slowed production of the Super-Mod, but work will pick back up soon. I am still hoping for a May release of Version 1, or at least a beta. What need to be done for TSWSM: Version 1: SHIPS: -Renown-class (BC) -Admiral class (BC) -Revenge class (BB) -Queen Elizabeth class (BB) -Nelson class (BB) -County class (CA) -York class (CA) -Leander class (CL) -Town class (CL) -Dido class (CL) -Flower class (PG) -Black Swan (PG) -V&W class (DD) -Tribal class (DD) -Mod Leander (CL) -Bismarck class (BB) -Scharnhorst class (BC) -Deutschland class (PBB) -Admiral Hipper class (CA) -K-class (CL) -Type 34 (DD) -Type 36 (DD) -H-39 class (BB) CAMPAIGN: Convoys Patrol Objectives Minor issues with bases Coastal batteries DAMAGE MODEL: Needs to be finalized and added to all ships VOICE: Need new voices for the German, British, Australian navys __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

02-08-09, 02:50 PM	#2
DarkFish Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Stinking drunk in Eindhoven, the Netherlands Posts: 1,844 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Playable Depth Charges A new feature for TSWSM: Playable DCs! Now we can finally take revenge for all the ships we sank as a sub commander! (oops... forgot to delete that huge radar antenna from the bridge) It are altered torpedoes that behave as depth charges. You can sink moving AI u-boats with them, although the subs can't dive/surface, in other words have a fixed depth (currently 50m for testing, will change it to something deeper)

02-08-09, 05:20 PM	#5
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	loving the DC's __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

02-11-09, 03:40 PM	#7
antarcite Nub Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	need help somebody can help to install this mod? where I obtain the necessary files and where I place them in the SH4 It is simple? Thanks for your help

02-08-09, 02:58 PM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Is the fixed depth set by the end of run? GREAT work. You might consider this: Make multiple DC "torpedoes." Have them named based on set-depth. So you can drag the DCs in the racks/throwers until you have the desired pattern of depths. For IJN ships these would be 30m settings (30m, 60m, 90m, then later 120m).

02-08-09, 05:32 PM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Remove the magnetic radius, or make it vanishingly small. Where did you put the DC controller. I'm interested in this, since the IJN didn't aim DCs at particular depths, but set the depths at 30, 60, 90m, etc, then threw patterns. SH4 has AI override the detonation depth.

02-16-09, 03:12 PM	#10
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Yeah, contact or proximity DCs are far more effective than "normal" DCs going off at set depth. In testing DC mods, I have watched... way way too many DC attacks. In many cases, I was looking for what would happen with a near contact hit, and they'd sink right past and blow well beneath the boat. Basically, with the way the AI treats depth error on DCs, ~1/3 blow above you, about 1/3 below, and the remaining 1/3 at around your depth. A 5m proximity DC would result in 3 times as many hits, since ALL of the above thirds would actually have hit your sub.

02-16-09, 03:17 PM	#11
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Other idea for ya for the DCs. You are using torpedoes. So presumably they are auto-loaded, OR the player can drag them to each "tube." Assuming you cannot make "set depth" work, make several DC types. They all look identical, and make the names that show up to the player identical. Each has a different proximity setting. 1 type is set to 1-2 m, another the 5m you have now, another to 10m, and perhaps one to 20-40m. Now, you dump DCs, and some go off without the possibility of damage, some will shake the sub, others might blow right next to the target. Ideally they'd be loaded sort of randomly on the racks.