Great historical tactic validated

gordonmull · 01-23-09, 09:31 PM

1st would have been late summer (July, August) 1940 and second was sept/oct.

It's happened a few times before and I've never made it past 1941. (Play DiD despite suicidal actions).

Freiwillige · 01-23-09, 10:44 PM

Hmmm GWX 3? I just stay at PS depth and ahead 1/3 silent running and usually dont even change course. occasionally they ping me but never enough to know my exact whereabouts and usually when they do get a lucky ping as they swing around to attack they loose me anyways. I dont panick, I dont dive. I dont do much of anything other than minor course adjustments and just drive away as if nothing happened.

gordonmull · 01-24-09, 09:44 PM

The first time she had definitely caught me, I saw her bear down on me. I popped the scope up when I heard the pings. Second time I just crash dived, so maybe if I'd hung tight I might have got away with it.

What's making me wonder though is that I'm sure the escorts don't ping unless they've already found you in some way...

Weiss Pinguin · 01-24-09, 10:10 PM

I believe they only use one sensor at a time, so it would make sense that if they're pinging for you, they've already detected you in some way.

Freiwillige · 01-24-09, 10:38 PM

yes, they detected me when I launched my torpedo's and sunk their battle ship! So of course their gonna ping, Torpedos were fast and loud to a sonar operator. Doesnt mean that they know where you are though.

Weiss Pinguin · 01-24-09, 10:57 PM

I guess that would probably tip them off

Keelbuster · 01-24-09, 11:03 PM

IMO: staying at PD is good cover because of the angle of the ASDIC array (as said earlier). However this depends critically on the year (later you are jacked because they don't have the same blindspot) and the weather. In stormy or rough seas, you can run even at 2/3, loading torpedoes, and be fine at PD. But if you are deeper, you're burned. The surface is a noise area, so if you're below it you stand out. If it's totally still, they hear everything for like 2-3km around - if an escort is approaching you, turn everything off and shut up. In perfectly still water, even early in the war (and GWX 3 since i started anew!) I've been detected by an escort passing at about 6-700m. This won't happen in stormy weather. I had one run right over me (almost hit me) in high seas, and i was all schtop and he just steamed on.

On another note - sadly, torpedo firing makes no sound in SH3. Escorts never yell 'Torpedo in the water!'. If you sit in the center of the convoy and fire 5 wake-less torpedoes and none of them hit anything, the convoy treats it as if nothing happened. Worse, premature detonations also have no effect on convoy (or anybody's) alert status. What a bummer. Again, UBI made mistakes that no one can fix.

Alas, I still get killed pretty reliably in '44

01-24-09, 10:10 PM	#4
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	I believe they only use one sensor at a time, so it would make sense that if they're pinging for you, they've already detected you in some way. __________________

01-24-09, 10:57 PM	#6
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	I guess that would probably tip them off __________________

01-24-09, 11:03 PM	#7
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	IMO: staying at PD is good cover because of the angle of the ASDIC array (as said earlier). However this depends critically on the year (later you are jacked because they don't have the same blindspot) and the weather. In stormy or rough seas, you can run even at 2/3, loading torpedoes, and be fine at PD. But if you are deeper, you're burned. The surface is a noise area, so if you're below it you stand out. If it's totally still, they hear everything for like 2-3km around - if an escort is approaching you, turn everything off and shut up. In perfectly still water, even early in the war (and GWX 3 since i started anew!) I've been detected by an escort passing at about 6-700m. This won't happen in stormy weather. I had one run right over me (almost hit me) in high seas, and i was all schtop and he just steamed on. On another note - sadly, torpedo firing makes no sound in SH3. Escorts never yell 'Torpedo in the water!'. If you sit in the center of the convoy and fire 5 wake-less torpedoes and none of them hit anything, the convoy treats it as if nothing happened. Worse, premature detonations also have no effect on convoy (or anybody's) alert status. What a bummer. Again, UBI made mistakes that no one can fix. Alas, I still get killed pretty reliably in '44 __________________

01-23-09, 09:31 PM	#1
gordonmull Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 269 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	1st would have been late summer (July, August) 1940 and second was sept/oct. It's happened a few times before and I've never made it past 1941. (Play DiD despite suicidal actions).

01-23-09, 10:44 PM	#2
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Hmmm GWX 3? I just stay at PS depth and ahead 1/3 silent running and usually dont even change course. occasionally they ping me but never enough to know my exact whereabouts and usually when they do get a lucky ping as they swing around to attack they loose me anyways. I dont panick, I dont dive. I dont do much of anything other than minor course adjustments and just drive away as if nothing happened.

01-24-09, 09:44 PM	#3
gordonmull Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 269 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	The first time she had definitely caught me, I saw her bear down on me. I popped the scope up when I heard the pings. Second time I just crash dived, so maybe if I'd hung tight I might have got away with it. What's making me wonder though is that I'm sure the escorts don't ping unless they've already found you in some way...

01-24-09, 10:38 PM	#5
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	yes, they detected me when I launched my torpedo's and sunk their battle ship! So of course their gonna ping, Torpedos were fast and loud to a sonar operator. Doesnt mean that they know where you are though.