Planes are starting to annoy me

PoweredBySoy · 01-20-09, 05:24 PM

Hi, friends.

Started playing this game a few weeks ago and almost immediately upgraded to the latest TMO mod.

I'm noticing that the search planes in this game are really poorly coded, and after awhile they really start to detract from the enjoyment of this game. And it's not that I'd have a problem with a large Japanese air force, but it's the way they appear that gets bothersome. 95% of the time they appear on my radar, miles out, on a direct interception course. As such, I have to crash dive. I'll stay submersed for about 20 minutes and then resurface to run on diesels. Then, almost like clockwork, 5 minutes later another plane will appear on radar - repeat. The 'crash dive dance' is annoying.

I also noticed that the TMO mod states that it significantly reduces plane spawning. I can't even imagine what it must be like in vanilla.

Are there any mods that further reduce plane spawning - or at least randomize their flight headings so it doesn't always look like they're magically gunning right for me?

Thanks.

Falkirion · 01-20-09, 05:47 PM

Grab RSRD, should cut down on aircraft contacts. I dont use TMO though. In RFB the only aircraft contacts I had were a pair of Zeros flying a cap around PNG while I was transiting the area for my patrol area. Only aerial contact for my entire patrol

I'm goin' down · 01-20-09, 07:32 PM

Falkirion, youremblem is one of the most understated, subtle emblems in the forum!!!!

jazzabilly · 01-20-09, 07:46 PM

Running RFB 1.52 w/RSRDC

I am currently driving a Porpoise class boat in June of '42; as a prelude to Midway I managed to hurt Nagumo's force (sank a Kongo) and tried following up when I was attacked by a Val. A/C seemed to be buzzing around (ours and theirs, I assume) but not attacking (me).

What would have been nice, however, is some radio traffic that I could/would have heard giving me a clue as to what was happening and where the invasion force/carrier strike force was. I did manage, however, to come accross a sinking USS Yorktown and USS Hammann, however. That was kinda cool.

rubenandthejets · 01-20-09, 08:44 PM

I'm playing Vanilla and yes, in areas with good air cover, the planes get pretty annoying.

Most days I don't even bother coming to the surface, just tooling along at 30m+ at 2-3 knots. Might pop up for a radar scan or two. Might risk it a bit more in typhoon season but otherwise, like the old Blue Oyster Cult song-"I love the night".

Torplexed · 01-20-09, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PoweredBySoy

Hi, friends.

Started playing this game a few weeks ago and almost immediately upgraded to the latest TMO mod.

I'm noticing that the search planes in this game are really poorly coded, and after awhile they really start to detract from the enjoyment of this game. And it's not that I'd have a problem with a large Japanese air force, but it's the way they appear that gets bothersome. 95% of the time they appear on my radar, miles out, on a direct interception course. As such, I have to crash dive. I'll stay submersed for about 20 minutes and then resurface to run on diesels. Then, almost like clockwork, 5 minutes later another plane will appear on radar - repeat. The 'crash dive dance' is annoying.

I also noticed that the TMO mod states that it significantly reduces plane spawning. I can't even imagine what it must be like in vanilla.

Are there any mods that further reduce plane spawning - or at least randomize their flight headings so it doesn't always look like they're magically gunning right for me?

Thanks.

Yeah, sometimes the amount of air traffic makes the U-Boat Biscay Bay run look spotty.

I've gotten in the habit of drawing a line along their radar course. Sometimes you can tell when they will just miss your radius of visibility. Needless to say if you hear the signal 'aircraft spotted' it's crash dive time.

The Japanese kept a lot of aerial training squadrons based in the home islands. However, I really doubt if they were well enough trained to tell the difference between a US sub and a Japanese one. Not to mention how accurately they lob their bombs.

Falkirion · 01-20-09, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

The Japanese kept a lot of aerial training squadrons based in the home islands. However, I really doubt if they were well enough trained to tell the difference between a US sub and a Japanese one. Not to mention how accurately they lob their bombs.

Well that may have been in real life but I've had a few close calls with aircraft taking a bombing run on my sub in vanilla and RFB. I remember one Zero made a couple of passes while I tried to fight him off with my AA guns (vanilla with RSRD) before I decided to pull the plug. Crash dive and barely made it beyond periscope depth before I heard an explosion above me. Flicked over to external cam and I saw the foam from a group of bombs that would have nailed me had I been on the surface.

gimpy117 · 01-20-09, 10:57 PM

sounds like the problem carried over from 1.4 was never fixed by TMO...

I'm goin' down · 01-21-09, 12:03 AM

You might want to check with Webster and see if his fewer airplanes mod might help.

01-21-09, 03:50 PM

i have a mod to reduce the number and range of planes on my filefront page.

also be aware of the airplane expressways they have in the game. one is from tokyo to pearl and the other is tokyo to ??? i forget but its straight south from tokyo just inside the south china sea near the chain of islands. these highways are filled with planes 24/7 no matter what mod you use (hard coded i believe) so go north or south of the pearl to tokyo line or east or west of the south china sea line and you wont see very many planes unless you get spotted.

rubenandthejets · 01-21-09, 09:41 PM

I'd love to get my own back on some of those pesky planes. I've seen a few floatplanes on the surface inside Wake harbour but was too wary of the shore batteries to surface and AAA them. Anyone know where these suckers tend to hang out so I can riddle them in relative safety?
I tried scouting into shallow bays and lagoons at night near places they seem to spawn from earlier that day-nada.

breadcatcher101 · 01-21-09, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rubenandthejets

I'm playing Vanilla and yes, in areas with good air cover, the planes get pretty annoying.

Most days I don't even bother coming to the surface, just tooling along at 30m+ at 2-3 knots. Might pop up for a radar scan or two. Might risk it a bit more in typhoon season but otherwise, like the old Blue Oyster Cult song-"I love the night".

Early in the war that is just what our boats did during the day time due to the air cover.

Nice song, btw. BOC rocks.

JonB · 01-22-09, 09:11 AM

Running 1.5 with TMO

I heard before downloading TMO that planes would be much harder to shoot down so yesterday, I gave it a go

Was attacked on my way home. Before engaging, I saved the game. Lucky me coz these planes shredded my sub on the first run. 4 compartments flooded, 60 % of my crew dead. Batteries at 5 %, all diesel drained out in the ocean. Dived to periscopedepth in a desperate attempt to avoid the second run. Once decending, it kept going down untill crash boom bang....

Quite fun actually

Though next time I´ll dive immedietly

01-22-09, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JonB

Running 1.5 with TMO

I heard before downloading TMO that planes would be much harder to shoot down so yesterday, I gave it a go

Was attacked on my way home. Before engaging, I saved the game. Lucky me coz these planes shredded my sub on the first run. 4 compartments flooded, 60 % of my crew dead. Batteries at 5 %, all diesel drained out in the ocean. Dived to periscopedepth in a desperate attempt to avoid the second run. Once decending, it kept going down untill crash boom bang....

Quite fun actually

Though next time I´ll dive immedietly

just in case you missed this little detail on TMO, the planes can often "see" you even at 300' so if your gliding along and suddenly die for no reason, that is why.

surf_ten · 01-22-09, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WEBSTER

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonB

Running 1.5 with TMO

I heard before downloading TMO that planes would be much harder to shoot down so yesterday, I gave it a go

Was attacked on my way home. Before engaging, I saved the game. Lucky me coz these planes shredded my sub on the first run. 4 compartments flooded, 60 % of my crew dead. Batteries at 5 %, all diesel drained out in the ocean. Dived to periscopedepth in a desperate attempt to avoid the second run. Once decending, it kept going down untill crash boom bang....

Quite fun actually

Though next time I´ll dive immedietly

just in case you missed this little detail on TMO, the planes can often "see" you even at 300' so if your gliding along and suddenly die for no reason, that is why.

Wow, I didn't know they could see the boat that deep. I usually creep along about 150 ft. So far I haven't been bomb out of the water even when several planes are inbound to my postion. Thank jeebus for SJ radar!

Usually when I am anywhere close to Japanese territory I stay submerged at 1 knts during daylight hours, surfacing occasionally to clean out C02. I do all my surface patrols at night.

I am not sure if that was realistic, but I figure it will minimize my chances of getting detected and attacked.

I am using the TMO mod as well.

01-20-09, 05:24 PM	#1
PoweredBySoy Watch Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 18 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Planes are starting to annoy me Hi, friends. Started playing this game a few weeks ago and almost immediately upgraded to the latest TMO mod. I'm noticing that the search planes in this game are really poorly coded, and after awhile they really start to detract from the enjoyment of this game. And it's not that I'd have a problem with a large Japanese air force, but it's the way they appear that gets bothersome. 95% of the time they appear on my radar, miles out, on a direct interception course. As such, I have to crash dive. I'll stay submersed for about 20 minutes and then resurface to run on diesels. Then, almost like clockwork, 5 minutes later another plane will appear on radar - repeat. The 'crash dive dance' is annoying. I also noticed that the TMO mod states that it significantly reduces plane spawning. I can't even imagine what it must be like in vanilla. Are there any mods that further reduce plane spawning - or at least randomize their flight headings so it doesn't always look like they're magically gunning right for me? Thanks.

01-20-09, 07:32 PM	#3
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01-20-09, 07:46 PM	#4
jazzabilly Planesman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 186 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Running RFB 1.52 w/RSRDC I am currently driving a Porpoise class boat in June of '42; as a prelude to Midway I managed to hurt Nagumo's force (sank a Kongo) and tried following up when I was attacked by a Val. A/C seemed to be buzzing around (ours and theirs, I assume) but not attacking (me). What would have been nice, however, is some radio traffic that I could/would have heard giving me a clue as to what was happening and where the invasion force/carrier strike force was. I did manage, however, to come accross a sinking USS Yorktown and USS Hammann, however. That was kinda cool. __________________ If it's a fair fight, then you didn't plan it properly. ====================================

01-20-09, 10:57 PM	#8
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	sounds like the problem carried over from 1.4 was never fixed by TMO... __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

01-21-09, 12:03 AM	#9
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	webster? You might want to check with Webster and see if his fewer airplanes mod might help.

01-20-09, 05:47 PM	#2
Falkirion Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 1,043 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Grab RSRD, should cut down on aircraft contacts. I dont use TMO though. In RFB the only aircraft contacts I had were a pair of Zeros flying a cap around PNG while I was transiting the area for my patrol area. Only aerial contact for my entire patrol

01-20-09, 08:44 PM	#5
rubenandthejets 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 279 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I'm playing Vanilla and yes, in areas with good air cover, the planes get pretty annoying. Most days I don't even bother coming to the surface, just tooling along at 30m+ at 2-3 knots. Might pop up for a radar scan or two. Might risk it a bit more in typhoon season but otherwise, like the old Blue Oyster Cult song-"I love the night".

01-21-09, 03:50 PM	#10
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	i have a mod to reduce the number and range of planes on my filefront page. also be aware of the airplane expressways they have in the game. one is from tokyo to pearl and the other is tokyo to ??? i forget but its straight south from tokyo just inside the south china sea near the chain of islands. these highways are filled with planes 24/7 no matter what mod you use (hard coded i believe) so go north or south of the pearl to tokyo line or east or west of the south china sea line and you wont see very many planes unless you get spotted.

01-21-09, 09:41 PM	#11
rubenandthejets 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 279 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I'd love to get my own back on some of those pesky planes. I've seen a few floatplanes on the surface inside Wake harbour but was too wary of the shore batteries to surface and AAA them. Anyone know where these suckers tend to hang out so I can riddle them in relative safety? I tried scouting into shallow bays and lagoons at night near places they seem to spawn from earlier that day-nada.

01-22-09, 09:11 AM	#13
JonB Bosun Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Halmstad, Sweden Posts: 69 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Running 1.5 with TMO I heard before downloading TMO that planes would be much harder to shoot down so yesterday, I gave it a go Was attacked on my way home. Before engaging, I saved the game. Lucky me coz these planes shredded my sub on the first run. 4 compartments flooded, 60 % of my crew dead. Batteries at 5 %, all diesel drained out in the ocean. Dived to periscopedepth in a desperate attempt to avoid the second run. Once decending, it kept going down untill crash boom bang.... Quite fun actually Though next time I´ll dive immedietly