Sunk by PT boat

Task Force · 01-15-09, 01:58 PM

Heres a sea based 40mm gun.

or two

GoldenRivet · 01-15-09, 02:10 PM

considering a 40 mm round weights around 5 lbs ... that second video task force has shared with us equates to 100 lbs of lead on the target if not more.

You have to think of how large a 40 mm round actually is. In the above videos... its like having 20 armor piercing golf balls fired at you in about 12 seconds.

Thats going to pierce close to 5" - 6" armor plate, what did U-boats have for armor.

There would definitely be some leaks in the sub.

StarLion45 · 01-15-09, 02:11 PM

:p Hey Task Force :p

Be careful with those PT boats , or they....

StarLion45 · 01-15-09, 02:15 PM

You must be careful out there man

Redshirt · 01-15-09, 04:54 PM

A single 20mm cannon from a PT boat probably not that dangerious... however...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Whirlwind_(fighter)

That thing was flying with 4 20mm cannon in late 1940-42. hehe a shame it hasnt made it into GWX however with only 116 I can see why. It was used in a few coastal patrols and the squadron operating them was credited several E-Boats.

Nasty wee beast - 4 20mm cannon could do a fair number on a Sub. Its slightly faster than a Hurrican, and considerably better armed compared to all other British Figthers of 1940-41

anywho... somewhat off topic...

Jimbuna · 01-15-09, 05:10 PM

Also worthy of consideration is the fact that once the U-boats pressure hull is holed she is no longer able to submerge....in effect no longer a submarine and easy prey to aircraft and or naval units.

A Type VII pressure hull thickness was between 18.5mm and 21mm depending on version.

Erich dem Roten · 01-15-09, 06:23 PM

In my opinion its really a matter of game mechanics. Could a PT boat sink a sub? Probably, especially now that we've seen the guns they can boast. And, as jimbuna mentioned, once a sub is hulled, that's pretty much the end of it being a sub and the start of it being a leaky tub.

On the other hand, could concentrated 20mm AA fire break up a PT boat? I'd say yes; they were plywood speedsters with guns. If nothing else you'd be killing/wounding/keeping the crew behind what plating they had and hopefully spoiling any torpedo runs. Even under perfect conditions I believe PT boats were woefully inaccurate.

In my opinion its really a matter of game mechanics. The core of the matter is would a PT boat and a U-Boat be fighting it out with guns on the surface? No, and the amount of damage their machine guns do is there to remind you of that.

Doesn't mean it's not fun to try though :p Maybe next time aim for the gunners right away.

A Very Super Market · 01-15-09, 07:20 PM

PT boats were (as with their name, Patrol Torpedo) meant to patrol around and ambush targets. Yes, they were made of plywood, but to hit a tiny, fast-moving thing like that was hard, and light flak rounds were fairly ineffective even against that. They are not meant to "front-line" ships, they are meant to flank or harass. Torpedoes are possibly the most dangerous weapon a ship could possess. But because they can't fire their torpedoes in game, PT boats are more nuisances than anything else.

01-15-09, 01:58 PM	#1
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Heres a sea based 40mm gun. or two __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

01-15-09, 02:10 PM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	considering a 40 mm round weights around 5 lbs ... that second video task force has shared with us equates to 100 lbs of lead on the target if not more. You have to think of how large a 40 mm round actually is. In the above videos... its like having 20 armor piercing golf balls fired at you in about 12 seconds. Thats going to pierce close to 5" - 6" armor plate, what did U-boats have for armor. There would definitely be some leaks in the sub. __________________

01-15-09, 02:11 PM	#3
StarLion45 Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stavanger,Norway Posts: 895 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	PT Boats :p Hey Task Force :p Be careful with those PT boats , or they....

01-15-09, 02:15 PM	#4
StarLion45 Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stavanger,Norway Posts: 895 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Fluffysheap You must be careful out there man

01-15-09, 04:54 PM	#5
Redshirt Bosun Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 64 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A single 20mm cannon from a PT boat probably not that dangerious... however... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Whirlwind_(fighter) That thing was flying with 4 20mm cannon in late 1940-42. hehe a shame it hasnt made it into GWX however with only 116 I can see why. It was used in a few coastal patrols and the squadron operating them was credited several E-Boats. Nasty wee beast - 4 20mm cannon could do a fair number on a Sub. Its slightly faster than a Hurrican, and considerably better armed compared to all other British Figthers of 1940-41 anywho... somewhat off topic... __________________ Reds under the bed!

01-15-09, 05:10 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,501 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Also worthy of consideration is the fact that once the U-boats pressure hull is holed she is no longer able to submerge....in effect no longer a submarine and easy prey to aircraft and or naval units. A Type VII pressure hull thickness was between 18.5mm and 21mm depending on version. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-15-09, 06:23 PM	#7
Erich dem Roten Electrician's Mate Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 134 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	In my opinion its really a matter of game mechanics. Could a PT boat sink a sub? Probably, especially now that we've seen the guns they can boast. And, as jimbuna mentioned, once a sub is hulled, that's pretty much the end of it being a sub and the start of it being a leaky tub. On the other hand, could concentrated 20mm AA fire break up a PT boat? I'd say yes; they were plywood speedsters with guns. If nothing else you'd be killing/wounding/keeping the crew behind what plating they had and hopefully spoiling any torpedo runs. Even under perfect conditions I believe PT boats were woefully inaccurate. In my opinion its really a matter of game mechanics. The core of the matter is would a PT boat and a U-Boat be fighting it out with guns on the surface? No, and the amount of damage their machine guns do is there to remind you of that. Doesn't mean it's not fun to try though :p Maybe next time aim for the gunners right away. __________________

01-15-09, 07:20 PM	#8
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	PT boats were (as with their name, Patrol Torpedo) meant to patrol around and ambush targets. Yes, they were made of plywood, but to hit a tiny, fast-moving thing like that was hard, and light flak rounds were fairly ineffective even against that. They are not meant to "front-line" ships, they are meant to flank or harass. Torpedoes are possibly the most dangerous weapon a ship could possess. But because they can't fire their torpedoes in game, PT boats are more nuisances than anything else. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!