Mines and minelaying with your U-boat - Page 3

tater · 01-13-09, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorpedoMo

Wow, that sounds great!

Now we need to know how to make the torpedo stay at the spot after the arming distance and keeps armed so he can detonate.

Currently he sinks, but what happens when he hits the seabed?

Huh? Again, I can only speak for SH4, but set the range of the fish at something it will never reach, like 99,999 meters, and a speed of 0.001. It will simply hang there at the set-depth (moving at 0.001 knots (0.0018 kph)

). I set mine to have a magnetic pistol with a radius of a couple meters so the front of the torpedo did not need to hit the target.

Vermin · 01-13-09, 10:17 PM

Thanks for taking the time to answer my suggestions, I'm sure you have considred them all before! Since my modding is limited to changing the odd text file I have endless appreciation for what you are trying to do!

If Tater's ideas can be used we will have a real winner! You really have to admire the general helpfulness of the subsinm community.

Couldn't resist this!

tater · 01-14-09, 11:51 AM

Dietrich, the file in SH4 HAS THE SAME PARENT ID as your screenshot.

I changed the arming distance to 10m, here's the file. If it crashes it crashes, if it doesn't...

Actually, look at it first to make sure it has not added any new fish, so that all the IDs point to the right parents in the dat.

http://files.filefront.com/Torpedora.../fileinfo.html

tater · 01-14-09, 11:57 AM

Hey, the arming distance in under the Pistol information, I don't see that in your SS.

Does SH3 have any fish with magnetic pistols?

Awful Smutje · 01-14-09, 12:19 PM

It does have magnetic pistols. This is why your torpedos detonate on halfway to the target in storm...

tater · 01-14-09, 12:39 PM

Yes, but are the values in the sim, or is it somehow hard-coded.

The fact that the SH4 sim has the same ID certainly says that the german stuff was simply dropped in from SH3, though.

TorpedoMo · 01-16-09, 08:06 PM

You Guys had any succes in changing the torpedo.sim?

I will try also tomorrow, got me tater's torpedofile.

There must be a way...

tater · 01-16-09, 11:19 PM

I changed it and linked the file, but I don't own sh3, so I have no way of testing.

TorpedoMo · 01-19-09, 04:26 PM

Using tater's torpedo.sim sh chrashes at start. No way....

And the few values changable in the SHIII torpedo.sim are much too less to "imitate" a mine.
Another idea was to use a torpedo whith a search pattern. After reaching the arming distance, the torp moves on with the minimum speed and follows the pattern which we could (can we?) definite as a really small square. I don't know I you can add more "legs", but if you could let the torp move endless in a square by maximum the total range.

For the long range the torps needs a very long time with the min. speed, so the "mine" stays effective but don't moves from the spot.

tater · 01-19-09, 04:57 PM

Ah, was worth a shot

Again, I don't have sh3, so I had no idea, I threw it at the wall to see if it would stick

bigboywooly · 01-19-09, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorpedoMo

Using tater's torpedo.sim sh chrashes at start. No way....

And the few values changable in the SHIII torpedo.sim are much too less to "imitate" a mine.
Another idea was to use a torpedo whith a search pattern. After reaching the arming distance, the torp moves on with the minimum speed and follows the pattern which we could (can we?) definite as a really small square. I don't know I you can add more "legs", but if you could let the torp move endless in a square by maximum the total range.

For the long range the torps needs a very long time with the min. speed, so the "mine" stays effective but don't moves from the spot.

You mean like the FAT ladder torps ?
I think legs for those are adjustable - are via TDC so must be in a file somewhere
IIRC the steam ones have a range of 12 km
At a real slow speed would take a real long time to go 12km
Would give the mine a fairly long life
Not sure how long though

tater · 01-19-09, 07:24 PM

The trick is not so much the time they persist, it's getting them to arm. You can set the fish to swim VERY slowly.

Frankly, arming fast is only a concern if you care about getting credit for the kill, and in RL, you simply would not (how would they know?). The goal is really being forced to have to do a thankless mission, unsuited to the true nature of your warship

01-14-09, 12:19 PM	#35
Awful Smutje Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Germany, about 200km upwards the Weser from bunker "Valentin" Posts: 125 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It does have magnetic pistols. This is why your torpedos detonate on halfway to the target in storm... __________________ Fette Beute und immer eine Handbreit Wasser unter dem Kiel!

01-13-09, 10:17 PM	#32
Vermin Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 106 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Thanks for taking the time to answer my suggestions, I'm sure you have considred them all before! Since my modding is limited to changing the odd text file I have endless appreciation for what you are trying to do! If Tater's ideas can be used we will have a real winner! You really have to admire the general helpfulness of the subsinm community. Couldn't resist this!

01-14-09, 11:51 AM	#33
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Dietrich, the file in SH4 HAS THE SAME PARENT ID as your screenshot. I changed the arming distance to 10m, here's the file. If it crashes it crashes, if it doesn't... Actually, look at it first to make sure it has not added any new fish, so that all the IDs point to the right parents in the dat. http://files.filefront.com/Torpedora.../fileinfo.html

01-14-09, 11:57 AM	#34
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Hey, the arming distance in under the Pistol information, I don't see that in your SS. Does SH3 have any fish with magnetic pistols?

01-14-09, 12:39 PM	#36
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Yes, but are the values in the sim, or is it somehow hard-coded. The fact that the SH4 sim has the same ID certainly says that the german stuff was simply dropped in from SH3, though.

01-16-09, 08:06 PM	#37
TorpedoMo Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 108 Downloads: 117 Uploads: 0	You Guys had any succes in changing the torpedo.sim? I will try also tomorrow, got me tater's torpedofile. There must be a way...

01-16-09, 11:19 PM	#38
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I changed it and linked the file, but I don't own sh3, so I have no way of testing.

01-19-09, 04:26 PM	#39
TorpedoMo Helmsman Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 108 Downloads: 117 Uploads: 0	Using tater's torpedo.sim sh chrashes at start. No way.... And the few values changable in the SHIII torpedo.sim are much too less to "imitate" a mine. Another idea was to use a torpedo whith a search pattern. After reaching the arming distance, the torp moves on with the minimum speed and follows the pattern which we could (can we?) definite as a really small square. I don't know I you can add more "legs", but if you could let the torp move endless in a square by maximum the total range. For the long range the torps needs a very long time with the min. speed, so the "mine" stays effective but don't moves from the spot.

01-19-09, 04:57 PM	#40
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Ah, was worth a shot Again, I don't have sh3, so I had no idea, I threw it at the wall to see if it would stick

01-19-09, 07:24 PM	#42
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The trick is not so much the time they persist, it's getting them to arm. You can set the fish to swim VERY slowly. Frankly, arming fast is only a concern if you care about getting credit for the kill, and in RL, you simply would not (how would they know?). The goal is really being forced to have to do a thankless mission, unsuited to the true nature of your warship