Russia cuts gas to Europe

Onkel Neal · 01-06-09, 07:35 PM

It's ok, Europe really wants to go green anyway.

Zachstar · 01-06-09, 07:43 PM

Natural Gas is clean.

Unlike Oil which is normally well trapped. Natural Gas seeps out all the time and is a natural part of the cycle.

Granted much of it is underground but in comparison to coal and oil. It is green enough.

Sailor Steve · 01-06-09, 07:47 PM

Oh.

I thought the title meant that...

baggygreen · 01-06-09, 07:54 PM

Is it related to this perhaps?

Probably a coincidence, but one can never tell. Europe struggling through winter will have some sort of effect through to the US, and now our friend Mr Chavez is cutting some oil to the states. Its not enough to warrant much attention, but it is enough to make a subtle point if that is the intent.

:hmm:

Dan D · 01-06-09, 08:47 PM

I dunno, how the other the peeps are doing, but for Germany it looks like this:

gas supply from Russia 37 %, part of it via the Ukraine,

Norway 26 %,

Netherlands 18 %,

Germany 15 %,

Denmark 4 %.

Pipelines from Russia to Germany go via the Ukraine, Belarus and Poland.
Gazprom (Russia) has announced, that it will reduce the gas transfer via the Ukraine and that it will make more use of the Belarus and Poland pipelines.
It seems, that the Ukraine, quote from the article: " RUSSIA had drastically cut gas supplies to Europe, the Ukraine Government says", is looking for allies.

Gazprom statement:
http://www.gazprom.ru/eng/news/2009/01/33513.shtml

I am a little bit worried about England, though. Its energy demand at present is fullfilled with 80 % seabird guano from Iceland and with 20 % marsh gases from French cows. Potential gas transfer from Russia to England would happen through pipelines via Germany. Though luck!

Skybird · 01-06-09, 09:03 PM

Germany is reached from Russia via two pipeline systems: the network of pipelines passing through the Ukraine and the Czech Republic and ending in Bavaria, and another, smaller pipeline in the north, leading through Belarus and Poland, bypassing the Ukraine completely. however, the latter has not the potential to transport as much gas as the southern pipelines do. the southern networks transports around 4 or 5 times as much gas as does the northern pipeline.

Germany is not at risk currently, we have enough gas reserves for 90 days, which could bring us through all winter even if ALL gas imports would be disrupted, from our western neighbours as well. But many other nations in europe, especially in the south, are not as safe because they had not invested in saving reserves like Germany did. they immediately consume what they get delivered, and save no reserves. These nations now are in a bad position. I heared that several cities are without heating - nice. Due to an Arctic front, we had temperatures of -26°C last night in Eastern Germany.

XabbaRus · 01-07-09, 03:51 AM

NO sympathy for the Ukraine...

Want to pay half then you have to give something back.

I can't tell my energy company to stick it when they increase prices, why can Ukraine?

Don't give me the big bad Russia thing. Ukraine knows exactly how to stir it up.

As for Poland being strategically minimised, I didn't know it was important anyway?

Rockstar · 01-06-09, 08:01 PM

According to the EU' new president global warming is tripe http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5430362.ece .

Maybe they will go to war for oil, launching attacks in fast American gas guzzling SUVs with big tail fins.

He also says Israel is on the defensive and not on offense. I like this new EU President so far. Of course Sarkozy is talkin smack about Israel but if he doesn't he gonna have another uprising in those no go zones in his own country.

em2nought · 01-08-09, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

It's ok, Europe really wants to go green anyway.

Great comment, I've been "borrowing" it all day.

01-06-09, 07:35 PM	#1
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01-06-09, 07:43 PM	#2
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Natural Gas is clean. Unlike Oil which is normally well trapped. Natural Gas seeps out all the time and is a natural part of the cycle. Granted much of it is underground but in comparison to coal and oil. It is green enough. __________________

01-06-09, 07:47 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Oh. I thought the title meant that... __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-06-09, 09:03 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Germany is reached from Russia via two pipeline systems: the network of pipelines passing through the Ukraine and the Czech Republic and ending in Bavaria, and another, smaller pipeline in the north, leading through Belarus and Poland, bypassing the Ukraine completely. however, the latter has not the potential to transport as much gas as the southern pipelines do. the southern networks transports around 4 or 5 times as much gas as does the northern pipeline. Germany is not at risk currently, we have enough gas reserves for 90 days, which could bring us through all winter even if ALL gas imports would be disrupted, from our western neighbours as well. But many other nations in europe, especially in the south, are not as safe because they had not invested in saving reserves like Germany did. they immediately consume what they get delivered, and save no reserves. These nations now are in a bad position. I heared that several cities are without heating - nice. Due to an Arctic front, we had temperatures of -26°C last night in Eastern Germany. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-07-09, 03:51 AM	#7
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	NO sympathy for the Ukraine... Want to pay half then you have to give something back. I can't tell my energy company to stick it when they increase prices, why can Ukraine? Don't give me the big bad Russia thing. Ukraine knows exactly how to stir it up. As for Poland being strategically minimised, I didn't know it was important anyway? __________________

01-06-09, 07:54 PM	#4
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Is it related to this perhaps? Probably a coincidence, but one can never tell. Europe struggling through winter will have some sort of effect through to the US, and now our friend Mr Chavez is cutting some oil to the states. Its not enough to warrant much attention, but it is enough to make a subtle point if that is the intent. :hmm:

01-06-09, 08:47 PM	#5
Dan D Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 9th Flotilla Posts: 839 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I dunno, how the other the peeps are doing, but for Germany it looks like this: gas supply from Russia 37 %, part of it via the Ukraine, Norway 26 %, Netherlands 18 %, Germany 15 %, Denmark 4 %. Pipelines from Russia to Germany go via the Ukraine, Belarus and Poland. Gazprom (Russia) has announced, that it will reduce the gas transfer via the Ukraine and that it will make more use of the Belarus and Poland pipelines. It seems, that the Ukraine, quote from the article: " RUSSIA had drastically cut gas supplies to Europe, the Ukraine Government says", is looking for allies. Gazprom statement: http://www.gazprom.ru/eng/news/2009/01/33513.shtml I am a little bit worried about England, though. Its energy demand at present is fullfilled with 80 % seabird guano from Iceland and with 20 % marsh gases from French cows. Potential gas transfer from Russia to England would happen through pipelines via Germany. Though luck!

01-06-09, 08:01 PM	#8
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	According to the EU' new president global warming is tripe http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5430362.ece . Maybe they will go to war for oil, launching attacks in fast American gas guzzling SUVs with big tail fins. He also says Israel is on the defensive and not on offense. I like this new EU President so far. Of course Sarkozy is talkin smack about Israel but if he doesn't he gonna have another uprising in those no go zones in his own country.