More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent (Global warming merged)

JALU3 · 01-01-09, 09:46 PM

Taxing carbon is one thing, it's much like taxing certain products of consumption, however, carbon "credits" sounds like a shell game. Because some dick/jane says he/she will not produce carbon that they may or may not have produced, if you pay them, sounds like a gimic that actually has zero net benifit except for those taking other people's money.

Frame57 · 01-01-09, 10:30 PM

Gee! Why not tax breathing...everytime I exhale I emit CO...We should tax the ignorant people who lead us down these dark paths

A Very Super Market · 01-01-09, 10:35 PM

Burning fossil fuels is different from breathing. Breathing is part of a natural exchange between plants and animals. The carbon from exhaling is balanced and surpassed by oxygen out put from plants. The carbon from fossil fuel is millions of years old, and excess carbon in our times because there is nothing to counteract it.

SUBMAN1 · 01-05-09, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

Burning fossil fuels is different from breathing. Breathing is part of a natural exchange between plants and animals. The carbon from exhaling is balanced and surpassed by oxygen out put from plants. The carbon from fossil fuel is millions of years old, and excess carbon in our times because there is nothing to counteract it.

How do you explain the lusher forest and plant life then from our carbon emitting cars? It then results in more animal life that eat the lusher plants.

Sounds like someone left these details out of the political nonsense they were telling you.

-S

A Very Super Market · 01-05-09, 10:25 PM

You need more than just carbon to grow. Plants need nutrients and soil that we are pretty much destroying. Besides which, what makes you think that Carbon instantly turns into plant material? It doesn't matter how much milk a pygmy drinks, he won't get taller. There is no lack of carbon preventing plants from growing most, it is weather, animals, outside influence that can influence them. Animals need oxygen, and its obvious that we aren't stressing the planet's supply of it. Explain why the planet isn't covered completely with them.

Where did you hear that we have lusher forests? Our forests are either unchanged, or cut down. While it is the true that the fossil fuel carbon can't harm them, it isn't like they need them.

SUBMAN1 · 01-05-09, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

...Where did you hear that we have lusher forests? Our forests are either unchanged, or cut down. While it is the true that the fossil fuel carbon can't harm them, it isn't like they need them.

Simple solution to all the rhetoric (Though some in this forum can only spew rhetoric since I think they are paid for it - this is not you VSM btw) I'm seeing to this idea - check the Amazon. It has been proven that increased carbon has led to lusher forests.

Another take on it:

http://www.oism.org/pproject/GWReview_OISM600.pdf

-S

Zachstar · 01-05-09, 11:48 PM

Hell Subman I WISH I could be paid just to read your crap. Sadly there is no interest to do so.

Looks like all is well on Subsim. Conspiracy theories affluter. Tho I admit it is the first time some have been accused of actually being in a "paid" conspiricy.

Hey Subman will you give me 100 thousand a year to say the moon landings were fake?

Zachstar · 01-05-09, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

Burning fossil fuels is different from breathing. Breathing is part of a natural exchange between plants and animals. The carbon from exhaling is balanced and surpassed by oxygen out put from plants. The carbon from fossil fuel is millions of years old, and excess carbon in our times because there is nothing to counteract it.

How do you explain the lusher forest and plant life then from our carbon emitting cars? It then results in more animal life that eat the lusher plants.

Sounds like someone left these details out of the political nonsense they were telling you.

-S

Subman if you are going to sprout bullcrap atleast get it halfway right.

If anything seriously benefits from more CO2 it is Algae. Which is what actually gives most of the oxygen NOT plantlife.

Zachstar · 01-01-09, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

Gee! Why not tax breathing...everytime I exhale I emit CO...We should tax the ignorant people who lead us down these dark paths

The carbon you exhale is NOTHING compared to that of even a Prius. You break up carbon chains to propel, keep warm, and to keep stuff working. Your body is not breaking large carbon chains to push a ton or 2 car or truck. Or running an old factory.

Tho I 100 percent agree that taxing the rich to give directly to poor is FAIL. It is MUCH better spent on encouraging technology dev so that the poor actually have a chance.

SteamWake · 01-01-09, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

Gee! Why not tax breathing...everytime I exhale I emit CO...We should tax the ignorant people who lead us down these dark paths

Meh... lets tax Cow Farts.... :p

This whole thing has become ludircris.

Frame57 · 01-01-09, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

Gee! Why not tax breathing...everytime I exhale I emit CO...We should tax the ignorant people who lead us down these dark paths

Meh... lets tax Cow Farts.... :p

This whole thing has become ludircris.

Or lets harness the methane produced from farts and run our cars on it. Damn, I am going to have to find a way to get a cow seat in my Catalina

breadcatcher101 · 01-02-09, 02:21 PM

In regards to cows there is talk of a cow tax due to just that. I thought it was a joke until I checked into it.

Frame57 · 01-02-09, 04:23 PM

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In regards to cows there is talk of a cow tax due to just that. I thought it was a joke until I checked into it.

It would not surprize me a bit. Now they are after those of us who enjoy fireplaces....

A Very Super Market · 01-02-09, 04:31 PM

No one cares if you burn wood, or breath out. As long as plants grow, the carbon produced by dying plants and animals is simply circulated between the two. Carbon taxes on fossil fuels make sense because they aren't balanced by anything, having been stored in the Earth's crust from millions of years ago, they are being added into our atmosphere and not taken out.

SteamWake · 01-02-09, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frame57

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Originally Posted by breadcatcher101

In regards to cows there is talk of a cow tax due to just that. I thought it was a joke until I checked into it.

It would not surprize me a bit. Now they are after those of us who enjoy fireplaces....

Oh and BBQ grills too

01-01-09, 09:46 PM	#1
JALU3 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: 11SMS 98896 10565 Posts: 756 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Taxing carbon is one thing, it's much like taxing certain products of consumption, however, carbon "credits" sounds like a shell game. Because some dick/jane says he/she will not produce carbon that they may or may not have produced, if you pay them, sounds like a gimic that actually has zero net benifit except for those taking other people's money. __________________ "The Federation needs men like you, doctor. Men of conscience. Men of principle. Men who can sleep at night... You're also the reason Section Thirty-one exists -- someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong." -Sloan, Section Thirty-One

01-01-09, 10:30 PM	#2
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Gee! Why not tax breathing...everytime I exhale I emit CO...We should tax the ignorant people who lead us down these dark paths __________________ "My Religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds." Albert Einstein

01-01-09, 10:35 PM	#3
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Burning fossil fuels is different from breathing. Breathing is part of a natural exchange between plants and animals. The carbon from exhaling is balanced and surpassed by oxygen out put from plants. The carbon from fossil fuel is millions of years old, and excess carbon in our times because there is nothing to counteract it. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!

01-05-09, 10:25 PM	#5
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You need more than just carbon to grow. Plants need nutrients and soil that we are pretty much destroying. Besides which, what makes you think that Carbon instantly turns into plant material? It doesn't matter how much milk a pygmy drinks, he won't get taller. There is no lack of carbon preventing plants from growing most, it is weather, animals, outside influence that can influence them. Animals need oxygen, and its obvious that we aren't stressing the planet's supply of it. Explain why the planet isn't covered completely with them. Where did you hear that we have lusher forests? Our forests are either unchanged, or cut down. While it is the true that the fossil fuel carbon can't harm them, it isn't like they need them. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!

01-05-09, 11:48 PM	#7
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Hell Subman I WISH I could be paid just to read your crap. Sadly there is no interest to do so. Looks like all is well on Subsim. Conspiracy theories affluter. Tho I admit it is the first time some have been accused of actually being in a "paid" conspiricy. Hey Subman will you give me 100 thousand a year to say the moon landings were fake? __________________

01-02-09, 02:21 PM	#12
breadcatcher101 Captain Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 546 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	In regards to cows there is talk of a cow tax due to just that. I thought it was a joke until I checked into it.

01-02-09, 04:31 PM	#14
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No one cares if you burn wood, or breath out. As long as plants grow, the carbon produced by dying plants and animals is simply circulated between the two. Carbon taxes on fossil fuels make sense because they aren't balanced by anything, having been stored in the Earth's crust from millions of years ago, they are being added into our atmosphere and not taken out. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!