DW RA Mod Screens Warning big photos

[MR. Wood]

I give you Ohio and The Typhoon

[Castout]

Looking good!
How about the many new torpedo models?

They are not to be taken lightly also

As well as the Ka-27 Helix?

[Castout]

Originally Posted by dyshman

There are some new models, which will be included in new addition:
1. new 3d model of seawolf http://www.redrodgers.com/forums/att...9&d=1229858677
2. kilo http://www.redrodgers.com/forums/att...1&d=1229692080
3. harusio http://www.redrodgers.com/forums/att...6&d=1227723283
http://www.redrodgers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=172 - (in rusian) discussing forum

Thanks for the pictures Dyshman. Awesome looking Kilo. But is it possible to retain the opening of torpedo doors for the new models?

[MR. Wood]

I'll do some torpedoes tomorrow can someone send me the new kilo and seawolf my ip is banned for there for some damn reason I seen something saying there moving there site and this is causing problems. Tell me the seawolf looks good please.

[dyshman]

I dont know exactly about openings doors. tomorrow i'll ask the author and give you to know.
also, in next addition will be included SSN Sturgeon. sorry, but pic's are still not available.

[Janus]

One thing I noticed from the May beta version: all the towed arrays have very small baffles compared to standard DW and LWAMI. I tried Ohio, Oscar-II and Trafalgar - their towed array blind spot is only 20 degrees. That's much less than in LWAMI or standard DW. Why is this?

[goldorak]

Maybe Lwami exagerated in the opposite sense ?
Having a 60 degree baffle for the towed array, and an even bigger baffle for the bow array (more than 100 degrees if I'm not mistaken) is waaaay to much, I have problems thinking that in real life subs have such great baffle areas.

[XabbaRus]

Take a look at SCX, that made the baffle smaller.

[Bellman]

The Greenville Incident report may have contributed to Lwami baffle increases, particularly with the SA.

After playtest with the Beta I like much of RA, but find the Adcap and Ugst performance unintelligent ! Under 'Truth' the torps exhibit little of the sensitivity developed in Lwamis fine work.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Bellman

The Greenville Incident report may have contributed to Lwami baffle increases, particularly with the SA.

After playtest I like much of RA, but find the Adcap and Ugst performance unintelligent !

To be honest, I have a hard time thinking that the greenville incident was due in part to "big" baffles and that somehow the crew didn't notice the ship on sonar/periscope.
All is possibile, but really, you would think these multi-billion $ machines would have baffles riduced to the minimum. C'mon 120 degrees baffles for the bow array ? Thats just crazy in my humble opinion.

[Bellman]

Nobodys claiming that 1) baffles caused incident... or 2) they were 120 deg !
Just that, if you have read report, that baffles were greater than 60 deg. and less than 120 deg.
That 'may' have been one factor which influenced Lwami changes - the matter was aired at the time.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Bellman

Nobodys claiming that 1. baffles caused... or 2. they were 120 deg !
Just that, if you have read report, that baffles were greater than 60 deg. and less than 120 deg.

Well Bellman, between 60 and 120 degrees there is a lot of leeway.
Lwami just choose to go with the biggest value. I would have choosen a more conservative value around 80 degrees.

There is also a gameplay consideration, by using extremely big baffles you make it very improbable or difficult to track a contact using 2 passive sensors at the same time. Thats why I appreciate RA, its easier now to use ba and ta to track contacts.

[Neptunus Rex]

The baffle area isn't created by the ships screw, but the ships hull. That spherical array attaches to the hull which masks any contact aft of that line.

Same thing for the conformal array if equipped.

The towed array, say perhaps 1200 feet in length, the actual sensors can only occupy a length somewhat less than the platforms hull. At full deployment, that would put the forward beam some 900 feet behind ownship. Assuming a 30 foot beam, that subtends to a 2 degree angle.

The towed array is useless while manuevering, so why a large baffle for the towed array?

[Molon Labe]

From the Greeneville report:

As is typical of all submarines, interference from noises generated by the Greenville itself prevented the sonar system from reliably detecting sonar signals between approximately 120 degrees and 240 degrees relative to the vessel's bow.

National Transportation Safety Board, Marine Accident Brief DCA-01-MM-022 at 11, note 15, available at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...greenville.pdf

[Neptunus Rex]

The NTSB had no business investigating this as it did not involve a public mode of transportation or a manner open to the public for private use.