President Bush Shoots America the Finger

[August]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Want to do something about it? Publicly pledge to never buy American again. That is the best you can do as it seems Obama is just stepping up to enjoy the power Bush carved for the central gov.

I'd say that would be punishing your fellow citizens but won't do much against the central government. They'll just get their money from taxing imports.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by August

He still has to be doing it with the Congressional leaderships approval (as well as that of the President-Elect) or they could block him.

Unfortunately it would be all too typical of Congress to abrogate their constitutional responsibilities in this manner.

That does not matter. The president is acting on his own. Congress shut down the bailout bill period.

Yes they could turn around and say "Oh hell no" or "Oh hell yes!" but that has nothing to do with the fact that president Bush is following through with a threat to do the bailout on his ground if the repubs in congress failed to support the bailout.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by August

I'd say that would be punishing your fellow citizens but won't do much against the central government. They'll just get their money from taxing imports.

And risk alienating the world and Wal-Mart?

Very funny!

You can't just slap a tariff down in the middle of a recession. It is hostile and will only be met with tariffs from the other side which will harm American business more.

Wal-Mart is of course partially a joke but not too much so considering how many Americans will go nuts if prices jumped at Wal-mart.

[August]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

What are you talking about? The bailout failed in congress. Your spin is useless.

The bailout failed in Congress but Congress doesn't have to release the money for purposes other than what it was appropriated for. They can freeze it if they want to but we both know that they won't because both the Congressional leadership and the President-Elect have both publicly stated they are in favor of it.

As I said what Bush is doing is their dirty work. Am I wrong?

[Hylander_1314]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Say hello to the us.gov cannon shell before it tears you to pizza toppings.

There is no way in hell and I repeat NO WAY IN HELL a violent revolution will EVER work again. You cant buy stingers you cant buy M1s you cant buy longbows... And you can't buy equipment.

Want to do something about it? Publicly pledge to never buy American again. That is the best you can do as it seems Obama is just stepping up to enjoy the power Bush carved for the central gov.

Frustration brother, frustration. As far as boycotting my bretheren goes, there ain't much left out there that's domestically made. You have to look far and wide for it anymore. the other thing to do is what this gentleman suggests.

[Zachstar]

It is simple. Instead of buying a Ford or GM buy Toyota or even better a Mini or something.

I have no loyalty to the US car industry. They have stopped at little to prevent technology from rocking the boat over the years. They deserve to perish and boycotting them is the fastest way to end these bailouts (After they are back for their 5th)

[Hylander_1314]

Since I had to shut my business down back in May, I haven't found any work. So buying a new car is out. I will have to hook up the boat to the little BroncoII and head back to Michigan as that's the only place I have family left. And the y don't want me to wind up on the streets. So hoefully I can land a driving job there. I have 6 years of mountain driving in commercial vehicles in all sorts of weather from blistering heat to blinding blizzaeds. And not one blemish mark on my driving record. And the boat wasn't new either. It is a 1966 aluminum runabout.

I think Ford declined as they asked the CEO or one of the bigwigs if they would be willing to work for 1 dollar for the year, and the response was no. I don't see what the problem is, the guy made like 21 million last year.

[Aramike]

That does not matter. The president is acting on his own. Congress shut down the bailout bill period.

The Republicans in Congress shut it down. Good for them. The Democrats wanted to shove it through.

It's too bad Bush went with the Democrats on this one.

[nikimcbee]

The unions own BO, when he gets in he'll do whatever the unions want.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Which they have failed to do since the first bailout in 1979. We are not a manufacturing nation anymore. We ARE a service economy. Giving companies that have proved themselves unable to compete in the market for the past couple of decades billions of dollars of its citizens' money AFTER it failed to move through the legislature is simply irresponsible.

PD

I think you better go look at how much this economy does manufacture - you are wrong.

However, Bush is ticking me off with this bailout. The bankruptcy courts are designed to deal with this sort of crap, not my tax dollar! The airlines went bankrupt, and guess what? They are still there too.

The auto industry just made up for its slumping sales alright. They just got the biggest sale in history.

-S

[GoldenRivet]

im personally opposed to the bailout.

We simply cannot socialize big business in America. The government shouldnt have the power to pick which companies fail and which succeed.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

im personally opposed to the bailout.

We simply cannot socialize big business in America. The government shouldnt have the power to pick which companies fail and which succeed.

huzzah to that GR

They were saying on the radio that Toyota? and GMC? had sold the same amout of cars, one made a profit, one for a loss! Guess which is which . I think people are voting with their wallets. Personally, I'd blame the UAW.

[Zachstar]

I partially Blame UAW.

Mainly because they outright supported the move to big and expensive SUVs instead of cheap and effective electric cars. And now they are willingly being used as a shield by heartless greedy and technology destroying bastards at GM.

But to outright blame them means nothing. They will have power period. Thus you must go back to the source.

It is fine to keep paying them a ton of money if they are willing to retrain to build the next gen electric cars.

[Iceman]

I find it intresting that Ford elected after all not to partake of the "apple". I think if they can stay afloat maybe they're strategy is to buy up the other two failing companies somehow...monopoly....or if not maybe they are hoping they outright fail...which I think would end up being good for them as the last remaining big guy on the American block that may after all help them...I think some should fail as painful as that is, is'nt that what America is all about...opportunity...one mans failure will create opportunity for others here if they are smart....personally the UAW needs to dissapear as it has become a death weight about the neck of that industry....they must be able to compete with the foreign makers that have moved right on in the backyard.

[August]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

It is fine to keep paying them a ton of money if they are willing to retrain to build the next gen electric cars.

Bah, fire them all I say and train a new generation of auto workers. There are plenty of unemployed people who would jump at the chance to earn half the wages of an overpaid UAW dinosaur.