Machine Gun Fun - I Love the 2nd Amendment

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Originally Posted by Dowly

As for the downfall part, if you continue like that, you will get one. No one likes to see one "bully" on the schoolyard for long. Trust me, if you go on, there will be strikes far worse than 9/11 aimed at you.

It's funny really, most of the european ppl seem to realise that you just get the more enemies the longer you stay in Iraq & Afghanistan. Bush just keeps giving more money to the military (prolly to pay for more soldiers whim have died in this stupid war).

And Finnish (NON-tabloid) magazine just had a report from Iraq, from the civilian POV and they were ******* pissed, they had no power, no water, anything. There was no fighting in the area, still, they were living poorlier as when S. Hussein was in power.

The war in Iraq was not for the people. America could care less about the Iraqi's. We want that oil, period. That's just the propaganda saying we were "liberating" the Iraqi's. Who cares if they have food or water, they are probably not even human, I bet they don't even feel pain

European whining over American dominance is nothing new. Let's get back on topic. Gun ownership. Tell me, you think millions would have died in the holocaust if everyone had a gun? Not even big guns. Small arms only. I think things would have been a LOT different had all the jews and undesirables been armed. I'm not saying no one would have been put on a train, but the Germans would not have been able to kill so many so fast if they had to have a firefight everytime them went into a neighboorhood.

Think about that.

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

And no, that' not a joker in my avatar nor sig. But what has my Avatar or sig has to do with this? Ran out of arguments?

Ran out of arguments? I didn't know i was arguing with you. You're awfully touchy for someone who likes to tell other folks that they're "sick".

So who is in the avatar and sig anyways, or are you afraid to say?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Ran out of arguments? I didn't know i was arguing with you. You're awfully touchy for someone who likes to tell other folks that they're "sick".

So who is in the avatar and sig anyways, or are you afraid to say?

It is not a movie villian that you suggested he worshipped. I believe that might have touched off the def-con 2 button.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is not a movie villian that you suggested he worshipped. I believe that might have touched off the def-con 2 button.

Eh, whatever. Whoever it is i'm betting it's not the afraid of guns sheeple type he wants us to become either.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Eh, whatever. Whoever it is i'm betting it's not the afraid of guns sheeple type he wants us to become either.

It is not a matter of afraid of guns. Guns are fine. People are not. The video shows a little girl popping away on a machine gun. Real fun until someone gets hurt. Hence my posting of the 8 year old at a gun show surround by "adults" popping way with an UZI and planting a slug in his cranium. One dead kid surrounded my 'adults'. Kids and guns do not mix. Christ sakes. It is a dangerous weapon. Cars are a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands. Do we let 8 year old kids drive them with 'adult' supervision. Hell no. That is my only point and believe Dowlys point.

Your 'eh whatever' answer is the same that get kids killed with 'adult' supervision.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is not a matter of afraid of guns. Guns are fine. People are not. The video shows a little girl popping away on a machine gun. Real fun until someone gets hurt. Hence my posting of the 8 year old at a gun show surround by "adults" popping way with an UZI and planting a slug in his cranium. One dead kid surrounded my 'adults'. Kids and guns do not mix. Christ sakes. It is a dangerous weapon. Cars a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands. Do we let 8 year old kids drive them with 'adult' supervision. Hell no. That is my only point and believe Dowlys point.

You 'eh whatever' answer is the same that get kids killed with 'adult' supervision.

That's unfair. I'd never let a child operate a firearm by themselves. On the other hand my dad did let me drive the car as a child sitting on his lap so it all really has to do with what you call "supervision".

Speaking of child gun safety, did you know that Plaxico Burress just made a safety video?

[AVGWarhawk]

[quote=August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is not a matter of afraid of guns. Guns are fine. People are not. The video shows a little girl popping away on a machine gun. Real fun until someone gets hurt. Hence my posting of the 8 year old at a gun show surround by "adults" popping way with an UZI and planting a slug in his cranium. One dead kid surrounded my 'adults'. Kids and guns do not mix. Christ sakes. It is a dangerous weapon. Cars a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands. Do we let 8 year old kids drive them with 'adult' supervision. Hell no. That is my only point and believe Dowlys point.

You 'eh whatever' answer is the same that get kids killed with 'adult' supervision.

That's unfair. I'd never let a child operate a firearm by themselves. On the other hand my dad did let me drive the car as a child sitting on his lap so it all really has to do with what you call "supervision".

Speaking of child gun safety, did you know that Plaxico Burress just made a safety video?

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I never said you let a child play with a weapon unsupervised. Yeah, I sat on the old man lap to steer one block but he did not let do all the other buttons and pedals like some of these 'adults' let kids do. My point is, even under adult supervision, it is not best in my opinion letting kids fire weapons. Appropriate age to me is 13+ when a child understands how a weapons work. However, there was a case last week were kid at the age of 13 killed his father and his friend because was mad over something like not being able to watch TV. 22 rifle. POP POP, pop hits the floor. If there is an age for alcohol, driving, voting, there should be a age limit for the use of guns.

Plaxico was one of my best player for my fantasy football team. That is if he showed up to play or practice or was not busy shooting himself.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I never said you let a child play with a weapon unsupervised. Yeah, I sat on the old man lap to steer one block but he did not let do all the other buttons and pedals like some of these 'adults' let kids do. My point is, even under adult supervision, it is not best in my opinion letting kids fire weapons. Appropriate age to me is 13+ when a child understands how a weapons work. However, there was a case last week were kid at the age of 13 killed his father and his friend because was mad over something like not being able to watch TV. 22 rifle. POP POP, pop hits the floor. If there is an age for alcohol, driving, voting, there should be a age limit for the use of guns.

I first learned to use firearms around 10-11 myself. I think a lot of it depends on the particular child, and the particular adult. After all there are 40 somethings that i wouldn't trust with a gun, but properly supervised and with a suitable firearm I don't see the problem with young children handling firearms. especially like the one in the OP's video. There is zero chance that child would injure herself shooting a tripod mounted MG like that.

[August]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

LOL, it made me cry, good spirit he has :rotfl:

"I'm just tryin to help the kids dog!"

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is all fun and games with kids and weapons until one blows his head off like the kid at a gun show firing a fully auto. He shot himself in the head. Died. This was about 4 weeks ago. Not so cool when it is an eight year old. Dowly is right. There is an age to teach about weapons and respect them. Then there is an age were they just need to keep the weapons locked up.

Yea this same story cme to mind when seeing this vid...I think it was here in AZ...maybe not but yea...kid firning an uzi and it got away from him and he killed himself....what kind of adult puts a gun in a childs hand...maybe another one for the taliban fathers or something i dont know...fubar.


Here it is in Mass.

[MMFN Lindsay]

I am an avid shooter and firearms owner.. and also a member of the NRA. A child should learn young about firearms.. with an Uzi probably not. What happens when god forbid a child finds a firearm in the house that happens to be loaded? if not taught properly the child will most likely begin to play with the weapon and thats when accidents happen.. a child should learn young because given the proper knowledge the child would not play with the firearm. Teach them to respect the firearm, not fear it or play with it. It is mearly a tool, such as a circular saw or a drill. A child can just as easily hurt themselves with that as they could a firearm.

And you may make an argument that weapons should not be kept loaded in the house. But i always kept my 870 under my bed just in case. i always made a point to unload it when I went to work, but we are all human.. we may forget, or we may be running late and we dont have time to eject 7 shells from a shotgun. It happens. It shouldn't but it does

[SUBMAN1]

Whats the big deal? Its only a .22 she is shooting - mini replica of its .50 big brother. A kid needs to be taught respect for firearms, and adult supervision is the best way while having them try it out. It was typical for a 7 yr old to have a .22 rifle only 50 years ago. Some of my co-workers got their first .22 at 6 even. They never hurt anyone either - imagine that? I was a little late to the game. I never shot anything other than a air rifle till I hit 10.

And Dowly - you are a bit touchy today. You need a chill pill. I didn't even say anything and you blew off a handle about what I could 'possibly' say! Hahahahaha! I didn't know i had so much effect on you! :p Better watch out or the big scary Subman is going to get you!

The Uzi in a 7 yr olds hands who is not strong enough to handle it is a bit much though. That was irresponsible on the adults part there and the kid - RIP.

-S

[breadcatcher101]

Yeah, and it was a mini uzi at that. Much harder to hold and a much faster rate of fire than a standard model.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Dowly

See, this what I mean. I dont mind guns, but dont give them to children. It's one accident/misfire/ricochet and your child's dead you wont get him/her back.

I concur, and one of the last things we need are machine guns...

[Captain Vlad]

I grew up surrounded by people who'd learned to handle a firearm well before they were teenagers. All survived until adulthood without shooting themselves. Now, I, personally am not letting my 8 year old kid fire a notoriously uncontrollable weapon. I might buy him or her their own .22 and teach them to operate and handle it safely.

In fact, I believe it's better to teach such things at a young age, simply to make sure safe firearms practices becomes second nature. Most people I've met that did stupid things with guns never picked one up until they were an adolescent.