Salvage divers destroying war grave

TarJak · 12-13-13, 01:52 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-1...vagers/5156320

This is a disgraceful act of vandalism. I'm not surprised but am annoyed that authorities have done nothing to stop the damage. I'm sure if it was an Indonesian grave in Australian waters we'd be hearing loud complaints from their government and media

Schroeder · 12-13-13, 04:36 PM

This is disgusting.

No dignity whatsoever.

August · 12-13-13, 04:39 PM

That must mean that the USS Houston, sunk in the same battle, is experiencing the same fate.

TarJak · 12-13-13, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by August

That must mean that the USS Houston, sunk in the same battle, is experiencing the same fate.

One would expect that to be the case as the Houston is the (slightly) shallower dive of the two as Houston was closer to shore when sunk. Sad if that is the case.

Jimbuna · 12-13-13, 05:17 PM

Bad crack

Kapitan · 12-14-13, 01:25 PM

sadly its not just happening over there, but in Europe also.

The three WW1 cruisers HMS Aboukiur, houge and cressy which were sunk all on the same day just hours apart by the same submarine U-9 in 1914 20 miles of the coast of Holland, these three ships took down nearly 2000 people and sadly in 1954 the british government sold the salvage rights

Today two of the ships are upside down making salvage hard but the other ship is being stripped for commercial gains these should be a war grave.

August · 12-14-13, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

One would expect that to be the case as the Houston is the (slightly) shallower dive of the two as Houston was closer to shore when sunk. Sad if that is the case.

The extraordinary bravery and fortitude of those two crews in the face of impossible odds deserves a better epitaph.

fireftr18 · 12-16-13, 01:12 AM

I really don't know what to say. Who care's if the government is protecting the ships. It is really disgusting that people have no respect for others.

soopaman2 · 12-16-13, 02:07 PM

Ship salvage.

Just capitalism.

Love it or move to china you reds.

Your war graves are resources, just like the dead dinosaur graves we call oil fields..

How come no one mourns them?

They died for us too.

RIP Velociraptor, Apatosaurus, gastonia...etc.

We kill each other over your remains.

Petty, and selfish. sorry, but the dead are far beyond giving a crap about thier bones.

Despicable yes, but not worthy of international outrage. I would rather see the banking factions regulated, than worry about some antique stiffs.

AVGWarhawk · 12-16-13, 02:45 PM

It nothing short of grave robbing.

Tango589 · 12-16-13, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

Your war graves are resources, just like the dead dinosaur graves we call oil fields..

How come no one mourns them?

They died for us too.

RIP Velociraptor, Apatosaurus, gastonia...etc.

We kill each other over your remains.

The difference is that nobody was alive to appreciate the dinosaurs when they were alive, whereas these sailors' ships were sunk and become graves still within peoples current lifetimes. It's the same as someone digging up your Great-Aunt Mary and selling her coffin for scrap wood and brass. The act is unconscionable.

TarJak · 12-16-13, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Ship salvage.

Just capitalism.

Love it or move to china you reds.

Your war graves are resources, just like the dead dinosaur graves we call oil fields..

How come no one mourns them?

They died for us too.

RIP Velociraptor, Apatosaurus, gastonia...etc.

We kill each other over your remains.

Petty, and selfish. sorry, but the dead are far beyond giving a crap about thier bones.

Despicable yes, but not worthy of international outrage. I would rather see the banking factions regulated, than worry about some antique stiffs.

Aside from the fact oilfields were largely formed from ancient swamps and forests and not dinosaurs. We're talking about people who died whose relatives are still around.

Are you sure you're ok with someone from another country digging up your grandmother for the brass fittings on her coffin? How about if it was your mother or father or your brother? That's what this equates to.

Tango589 · 12-16-13, 02:58 PM

I second that!

Jimbuna · 12-16-13, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It nothing short of grave robbing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tango589

The difference is that nobody was alive to appreciate the dinosaurs when they were alive, whereas these sailors' ships were sunk and become graves still within peoples current lifetimes. It's the same as someone digging up your Great-Aunt Mary and selling her coffin for scrap wood and brass. The act is unconscionable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

Aside from the fact oilfields were largely formed from ancient swamps and forests and not dinosaurs. We're talking about people who died whose relatives are still around.

Are you sure you're ok with someone from another country digging up your grandmother for the brass fittings on her coffin? How about if it was your mother or father or your brother? That's what this equates to.

Yeah that

August · 12-16-13, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tango589

The difference is that nobody was alive to appreciate the dinosaurs when they were alive, whereas these sailors' ships were sunk and become graves still within peoples current lifetimes. It's the same as someone digging up your Great-Aunt Mary and selling her coffin for scrap wood and brass. The act is unconscionable.

This ^

If it were a U-boat or other small craft i'd say as long as they remove the remains first then it'd be ok, but that's an impossible job with a cruiser or other large ship.

12-13-13, 01:52 PM	#1
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Salvage divers destroying war grave http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-1...vagers/5156320 This is a disgraceful act of vandalism. I'm not surprised but am annoyed that authorities have done nothing to stop the damage. I'm sure if it was an Indonesian grave in Australian waters we'd be hearing loud complaints from their government and media

12-13-13, 04:36 PM	#2
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	This is disgusting. No dignity whatsoever. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

12-13-13, 04:39 PM	#3
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,237 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That must mean that the USS Houston, sunk in the same battle, is experiencing the same fate. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

12-13-13, 05:17 PM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,124 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Bad crack __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-14-13, 01:25 PM	#6
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,134 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	sadly its not just happening over there, but in Europe also. The three WW1 cruisers HMS Aboukiur, houge and cressy which were sunk all on the same day just hours apart by the same submarine U-9 in 1914 20 miles of the coast of Holland, these three ships took down nearly 2000 people and sadly in 1954 the british government sold the salvage rights Today two of the ships are upside down making salvage hard but the other ship is being stripped for commercial gains these should be a war grave. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-16-13, 01:12 AM	#8
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	I really don't know what to say. Who care's if the government is protecting the ships. It is really disgusting that people have no respect for others. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

12-16-13, 02:07 PM	#9
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Ship salvage. Just capitalism. Love it or move to china you reds. Your war graves are resources, just like the dead dinosaur graves we call oil fields.. How come no one mourns them? They died for us too. RIP Velociraptor, Apatosaurus, gastonia...etc. We kill each other over your remains. Petty, and selfish. sorry, but the dead are far beyond giving a crap about thier bones. Despicable yes, but not worthy of international outrage. I would rather see the banking factions regulated, than worry about some antique stiffs. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

12-16-13, 02:45 PM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,297 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	It nothing short of grave robbing. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-16-13, 02:58 PM	#13
Tango589 Still crazy as ever! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: A little south of sanity Posts: 3,378 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 1	I second that! __________________ Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way...

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