I was accused of being a "pinko" today LOL

[Bubblehead1980]

The recent headlines about fast food workers protesting has surely invoked some interesting, polarizing discussions.Even more interesting it has left me on the side of well, the left(when it should not be a left right issue) in a discussion in class.

After some thought, I have to agree that the workers should be paid more and are right for striking, just as many jobs should pay more because if the free market would pay more, then the government would not have to pick up the slack with food stamps etc. Of course, the government is responsible, at least partly with their taxes, over regulation etc but that is another issue.The owners of businesses are also responsible as they are greedy and while it may be their business etc, it is wrong to pay someone such low wages.

Of course after saying this a few times as of late, I have angered some fellow conservative types who just found it abhorrent I would take such a stance. Honestly, I have seen some of the ignorance on "my side of the isle". This is why we lose elections, we allow the left to take the banner they are for working people(they are not, they are for subsidizing people's current situation so it seems they are on their side and get their votes) while our party/movement appears in rhetoric and policy to be on the side of those which continue to exploit the workers of this country.

Really, the shining moment was when I was told that I sounded like I was a little "pink" and of course the word PINKO was later tossed around. SMH

[the_tyrant]

You see, I self identify as a "profiteer".

Why tie yourself to the left or right wing? Why just do make decisions based on your own self interest?

Thus, I never cared about such labels, when I get called a Nazi or a libtard, I simply respond by saying that I support things based on my own self interest. I do not care about ideology, or party lines.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

You see, I self identify as a "profiteer".

Why tie yourself to the left or right wing? Why just do make decisions based on your own self interest?

Thus, I never cared about such labels, when I get called a Nazi or a libtard, I simply respond by saying that I support things based on my own self interest. I do not care about ideology, or party lines.

Good point.Well I believe in the free market but we are in a period where it is broken.Partly due to the government, partly due to it's own behavior.I find it morally wrong to pay someone in today's society, with the cost of living what it is, $7.25 an hour, esp with record profits. The whole point of work is so someone can provide for themselves and their family.I am sorry but no one can do that with what these jobs pay.While in the old days these jobs were for teenagers, retirees, etc due to the way our economy has changed, many people who normally would not have these jobs, do. The big picture is that so many jobs pay wages that are too low, esp for what people do day to day.

[TarJak]

And of course the company management pass the additional cost on so the customer must pay more further increasing the cost of living. The buck has to stop somewhere.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by TarJak

And of course the company management pass the additional cost on so the customer must pay more further increasing the cost of living. The buck has to stop somewhere.

Yea you know what, I have found that to be a cop out.Sure if you push it too far but when you have companies making record profit, paying employees living wages, they don't have to pass the buck along to the consumer like they say.This all comes down to greed to be honest, nothing more.

[TarJak]

Cop out it may be, however that is how companies behave. The only tempering factor is market competition.

[Wolferz]

The majority of people share the same attitude of " I like me best" There is no "I" in the word team. As a team we can accomplish greater things than we can as individuals.
Unfortunately, that philosophy doesn't go over well in a society that promotes competition as the norm. Especially when the winners see themselves as the only reason for their success. Regardless of how many people assist them in the achievement, they still see themselves in their own light. This leads to greed and greed leads to suffering and taking advantage of the less fortunate.

I agree that the fast food workers as well as many other professions aren't paid a living wage. The winners see their work forces as beggers and slaves. Useful only to pad their wallets.

I've worked many a minimum wage job in my life and watched the owners reap all the benefits to the point of flaunting it and then acting like they did me a huge favor by hiring me and paying me next to nothing in comparison to what they took to the bank.
The government doesn't treat a person much better when they get their 23% out of your meager pay check every week.
If I owned a company, I would pay my staff, including myself, a living wage so we could be successful through the long term.


No, you're not a Pinko for raging against the self serving greedy people who ski down their noses at their employees by paying them the government mandated minimum wage.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

You see, I self identify as a "profiteer".

Why tie yourself to the left or right wing? Why just do make decisions based on your own self interest?

Thus, I never cared about such labels, when I get called a Nazi or a libtard, I simply respond by saying that I support things based on my own self interest. I do not care about ideology, or party lines.

I can't believe you like money!

[Tchocky]

Globally we're looking at the largest wealth creation event in history over the last couple of decades.

Of course those at the top (everyone posting in this thread including me) don't want this to change.

[vienna]

Excuse me, I didn't catch what you said...

I was too busy counting my piles of capitalistic lucre...


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[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Globally we're looking at the largest wealth creation event in history over the last couple of decades.

Of course those at the top (everyone posting in this thread including me) don't want this to change.

Not really, we're seeing a wealth shift to a small percent. Certainly, wealthy people don't won't it to change, but the failure will be in that it will lead to a change in the economic power map. When you create a class system, it will eventually lead to the end of that nation as a power. You can only keep the masses at bay with tax funded social programs for so long.

Our economy in the US hasn't really improved, the govt simply dumped a few trillion into the economy, which created some jobs and propped up the stock market. Now we're left with the debt and those funded jobs will go away. Course, govt will keep trying to fund the economy and kick the bucket down the road, but eventually it will implode. Any serious economist admits the big crisis is coming.

[mookiemookie]

What could be more American than squeezing the other guy for every dime you can get out of him?

[vienna]

What could be more American than squeezing the other guy for every dime you can get out of him?

"Be Still My Heart!"...


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[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

What could be more American than squeezing the other guy for every dime you can get out of him?

Do you mean Crony Capitalism?
What do you do after you have squeezed the last dime out of a guy and he has no more? Offer him a job at minimum wage or direct him to the welfare office for a government handout so you can continue the big squeeze?
I guess either choice would work toward the goal of an exorbitant profit by robbing someone into the poor house.

Crony capitalism is like the man who would steal your wallet and then calls you to complain that it didn't have enough money in it.

[Mittelwaechter]

Let's get trillions of credits of his unborn children right now.