Question about DRM and modding.

Diopos · 02-09-10, 05:26 AM

Ok let's assume that the DRM thingy is here to stay.
If someone decides to mod SH5 where must his files reside? On Ubi's machines? If that's the case, I think it is funny to "pay" Ubi to do what could easily be considered "development - research", on which they'll have "officially" access to (as it will be stored on their machines). Isn't there an issue here?

(Subject not limited to SH5 or Ubi of course).

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Jimbuna · 02-09-10, 05:35 AM

That is a pretty neat question.

All will be revealed in March

TarJak · 02-09-10, 05:42 AM

And don't think this is the only ethical or legal question that is likely to come out of this either. Despite the trend when it comes to shelling out cash, unless I get something in me hot little hands I'd not buying.

Hartmann · 02-09-10, 09:05 AM

They will host modders files for our security and sell it after some time as addon or make that costumers pay for use it (files and servers ).

Brag · 02-09-10, 09:56 AM

Ubi wants you to enjoy playing with the great benefit of heads Ubi wins, tails you lose

mookiemookie · 02-09-10, 10:00 AM

The way the system works is that the savegame files on your local machine are sync'd up with Ubi's servers. I don't see how this would affect mod files at all. Also, the devs have said that it won't affect modding.

sharkbit · 02-09-10, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The way the system works is that the savegame files on your local machine are sync'd up with Ubi's servers. I don't see how this would affect mod files at all. Also, the devs have said that it won't affect modding.

Ubi says updates are easier to do thru DRM. Won't those updates overwrite any file changes done by the mod?

That seems to be one of the biggest issues that I have with DRM with my verrrrry limited knowledge on the subject.

mookiemookie · 02-09-10, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkbit

Ubi says updates are easier to do thru DRM. Won't those updates overwrite any file changes done by the mod?

That seems to be one of the biggest issues that I have with DRM with my verrrrry limited knowledge on the subject.

True. Wonder how many patches or incremental updates we'll see. It's always hell trying to get patches out of Ubi for a SH title, so I'm not sure how much that will be an issue.

tater · 02-09-10, 11:09 AM

The devs have said it's more moddable. Unless the new engine includes a MODS folder, and the updates stay away from it, it MUST prompt you for any updates or it will break mods.

02-09-10, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diopos

Ok let's assume that the DRM thingy is here to stay.
If someone decides to mod SH5 where must his files reside? On Ubi's machines? If that's the case, I think it is funny to "pay" Ubi to do what could easily be considered "development - research", on which they'll have "officially" access to (as it will be stored on their machines). Isn't there an issue here?

(Subject not limited to SH5 or Ubi of course).

there is no way to answer the questions we have until we can actually disect thegame and see just how it works but this will be known in about 3 weeks so then we will have something more then just speculation to work with

TDK1044 · 02-09-10, 12:20 PM

Wouldn't it have been nice though for an experienced modder here to have been consulted regarding how this is supposed to work?

Then, he could have posted and told us not to worry.... without in any way compromising any kind of NDA.

Dowly · 02-09-10, 12:24 PM

The big question is, wether the server allows modified save games to be uploaded or if it sticks to a certain template. The devs say it'll be moddable, but to what extent? Will gameplay and/or campaign mods mess the save games if the server only accepts certain template?

We must keep in mind that this DRM wasnt invented for SHV, but for the bigger sellers that are coming out, most of which are unmoddable if you look at the earlier games in the series'.

02-09-10, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Wouldn't it have been nice though for an experienced modder here to have been consulted regarding how this is supposed to work?

Then, he could have posted and told us not to worry.... without in any way compromising any kind of NDA.

my personal "guess" is the game doesnt even work yet

think about it, no "real" in-game footage that could renew interest in the game

no images of any realism settings of manual targetting

no preview copies given to media types or neal to help promote the game

in my mind this could be because the servers arent even running yet so its not possible to play the game at this time so none of the usual marketting stuff above can be done. i just cant believe they wouldnt try to get some sort of good press at this point if it were possible.

sharkbit · 02-09-10, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

my personal "guess" is the game doesnt even work yet.

With three to four weeks to go and the game not working yet does not bode well for an on time release.

02-09-10, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sharkbit

With three to four weeks to go and the game not working yet does not bode well for an on time release.

i suspect its a delay in getting the servers up thing and not that the game isnt finished yet

02-09-10, 05:26 AM	#1
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Question about DRM and modding. Ok let's assume that the DRM thingy is here to stay. If someone decides to mod SH5 where must his files reside? On Ubi's machines? If that's the case, I think it is funny to "pay" Ubi to do what could easily be considered "development - research", on which they'll have "officially" access to (as it will be stored on their machines). Isn't there an issue here? (Subject not limited to SH5 or Ubi of course). . __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

02-09-10, 05:35 AM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	That is a pretty neat question. All will be revealed in March __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-09-10, 09:05 AM	#4
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	They will host modders files for our security and sell it after some time as addon or make that costumers pay for use it (files and servers ). __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

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02-09-10, 10:00 AM	#6
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	The way the system works is that the savegame files on your local machine are sync'd up with Ubi's servers. I don't see how this would affect mod files at all. Also, the devs have said that it won't affect modding. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

02-09-10, 05:42 AM	#3
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	And don't think this is the only ethical or legal question that is likely to come out of this either. Despite the trend when it comes to shelling out cash, unless I get something in me hot little hands I'd not buying.

02-09-10, 11:09 AM	#9
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The devs have said it's more moddable. Unless the new engine includes a MODS folder, and the updates stay away from it, it MUST prompt you for any updates or it will break mods.

02-09-10, 12:20 PM	#11
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Wouldn't it have been nice though for an experienced modder here to have been consulted regarding how this is supposed to work? Then, he could have posted and told us not to worry.... without in any way compromising any kind of NDA.

02-09-10, 12:24 PM	#12
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	The big question is, wether the server allows modified save games to be uploaded or if it sticks to a certain template. The devs say it'll be moddable, but to what extent? Will gameplay and/or campaign mods mess the save games if the server only accepts certain template? We must keep in mind that this DRM wasnt invented for SHV, but for the bigger sellers that are coming out, most of which are unmoddable if you look at the earlier games in the series'.

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