Anyone know what this is?

Bomarck · 08-14-09, 11:56 AM

I found this while scouring the net and was wondering if anyone could identify this sub? The site I found it on said it was Japanese if that's any help. The only thing I know that's similar would be the Surcouf.

sharkbit · 08-14-09, 12:06 PM

Looks like a big, slow depth charge/ASDIC/SONAR/aircraft magnet.

Sorry, I can't offer any more help than that.

sharkbit · 08-14-09, 12:17 PM

When I googled "sourcouf submarine" images, that picture did come up on the second page.
I couldn't find any Japanese submarines that looked like that.

FIREWALL · 08-14-09, 12:22 PM

Looks Dangerous

Would love to have it ingame.

Nice Find Bomarck

Dowly · 08-14-09, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkbit

When I googled "sourcouf submarine" images, that picture did come up on the second page.
I couldn't find any Japanese submarines that looked like that.

According to Wikipedia, that is exactly that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_Surcouf

Bomarck · 08-14-09, 12:34 PM

Guess it might be one, possibly a different type then?

Here is a pic of a Surcouf.

FIREWALL · 08-14-09, 12:39 PM

btw.... Welcome Aboard Bomarck

Nice first post.

Bomarck · 08-14-09, 01:05 PM

Ah thank you

donut · 08-14-09, 01:10 PM

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DX

Platapus · 08-14-09, 01:17 PM

It sure does look like the Surcouf but not exactly.

This is a strange duck. The enclosure looks different from the Surcouf but that could be due to the camera angle. What bothers me is the difference in the deck plating. However the cutouts for the diving plans seems to match that of the Surcouf.

There also seems to be differences in the conning tower and I would have expected to see the painted markings a bit clearer.

One the other hand, if it aint the Surcouf, what is it? Not British, Russian, Dutch, Japanese, US, or Italian. At least not that I can research.

I even took a closer look to see if this was a faked picture. But it looks real.

I would be willing to put the differences down to poor camera angle and call this the Surcouf..... nor not.

Nickolas · 08-15-09, 11:14 PM

but... look at the net cutter, the shape of the bow (the Surcouf has a straight "dreadnought-esque" bow, while the "sub-?" has a bow similar to those of surface ships and "typical" ww2 subs)

also, the diving planes look different, and it either more of the "sub-?" stands out of the water, or it's WAY shorter and bulkier. (specially looking at the saddle tanks)

TheBrauerHour · 08-16-09, 08:25 AM

Reading the history of the sub on that wiki link makes the story that much more incredible.

Dowly · 08-16-09, 08:57 AM

Maybe it's time to start pondering, if the first photo is an real photo or if it is a piece of art.

Here's what caught my eye
- Could the Surcouf make a turn like that? It does seem kinda tight one. Especially the very end of the turn looks abit 'unnatural'.
- How is it so much "out of water"?
- The net-cutter is very similar to those in german uboats, yet it never was in german hands.
- The few websites I checked about the Surcouf, didnt have this photo. One would think that a good aerial shot like this would be used.
- There appears to be nobody in the conning tower.
- And lastly, I didnt find any information that the Surcouf would have been rebuilt later on nor copied by anyone. While the sub in the photo has it's differences compared to other photos of Surcouf, it could be explained by the possible artist taking a few liberties when making a shot like this.

Dowly · 08-16-09, 09:18 AM

Mystery solved.

The submarine in the first picture is I-507, a fictive submarine based in Surcouf used in Japanese war movie 'Lorelei: The Witch of the Pacific Ocean'.

Best picture I could find of it, you can see the main guns being identical to the photo on the 1st post.

The trailer shows few glimpses of it, with net-cutter etc.
http://www.nipponcinema.com/trailers/lorelei/

EDIT: One more pic

ajrimmer42 · 08-16-09, 09:29 AM

Only thing I could find:

http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/121678.html

Apparently it's Japanese.

EDIT: oops, Dowly beat me to it...

08-14-09, 11:56 AM	#1
Bomarck Nub Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Anyone know what this is? I found this while scouring the net and was wondering if anyone could identify this sub? The site I found it on said it was Japanese if that's any help. The only thing I know that's similar would be the Surcouf.

08-14-09, 12:06 PM	#2
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	Looks like a big, slow depth charge/ASDIC/SONAR/aircraft magnet. Sorry, I can't offer any more help than that. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

08-14-09, 12:17 PM	#3
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	When I googled "sourcouf submarine" images, that picture did come up on the second page. I couldn't find any Japanese submarines that looked like that. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

08-14-09, 12:22 PM	#4
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Looks Dangerous Would love to have it ingame. Nice Find Bomarck __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ??? Last edited by FIREWALL; 08-14-09 at 12:42 PM.

08-14-09, 12:39 PM	#7
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	btw.... Welcome Aboard Bomarck Nice first post. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-14-09, 12:34 PM	#6
Bomarck Nub Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Guess it might be one, possibly a different type then? Here is a pic of a Surcouf.

08-14-09, 01:05 PM	#8
Bomarck Nub Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Ah thank you

08-14-09, 01:10 PM	#9
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hstory http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DX

08-14-09, 01:17 PM	#10
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,163 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	It sure does look like the Surcouf but not exactly. This is a strange duck. The enclosure looks different from the Surcouf but that could be due to the camera angle. What bothers me is the difference in the deck plating. However the cutouts for the diving plans seems to match that of the Surcouf. There also seems to be differences in the conning tower and I would have expected to see the painted markings a bit clearer. One the other hand, if it aint the Surcouf, what is it? Not British, Russian, Dutch, Japanese, US, or Italian. At least not that I can research. I even took a closer look to see if this was a faked picture. But it looks real. I would be willing to put the differences down to poor camera angle and call this the Surcouf..... nor not. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-15-09, 11:14 PM	#11
Nickolas Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 112 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	but... look at the net cutter, the shape of the bow (the Surcouf has a straight "dreadnought-esque" bow, while the "sub-?" has a bow similar to those of surface ships and "typical" ww2 subs) also, the diving planes look different, and it either more of the "sub-?" stands out of the water, or it's WAY shorter and bulkier. (specially looking at the saddle tanks)

08-16-09, 08:25 AM	#12
TheBrauerHour Mr. Eastwood Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 364 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Reading the history of the sub on that wiki link makes the story that much more incredible.

08-16-09, 08:57 AM	#13
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,036 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Maybe it's time to start pondering, if the first photo is an real photo or if it is a piece of art. Here's what caught my eye - Could the Surcouf make a turn like that? It does seem kinda tight one. Especially the very end of the turn looks abit 'unnatural'. - How is it so much "out of water"? - The net-cutter is very similar to those in german uboats, yet it never was in german hands. - The few websites I checked about the Surcouf, didnt have this photo. One would think that a good aerial shot like this would be used. - There appears to be nobody in the conning tower. - And lastly, I didnt find any information that the Surcouf would have been rebuilt later on nor copied by anyone. While the sub in the photo has it's differences compared to other photos of Surcouf, it could be explained by the possible artist taking a few liberties when making a shot like this.

08-16-09, 09:18 AM	#14
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,036 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Mystery solved. The submarine in the first picture is I-507, a fictive submarine based in Surcouf used in Japanese war movie 'Lorelei: The Witch of the Pacific Ocean'. Best picture I could find of it, you can see the main guns being identical to the photo on the 1st post. The trailer shows few glimpses of it, with net-cutter etc. http://www.nipponcinema.com/trailers/lorelei/ EDIT: One more pic

08-16-09, 09:29 AM	#15
ajrimmer42 Royal Kinotropist Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 987 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Only thing I could find: http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/121678.html Apparently it's Japanese. EDIT: oops, Dowly beat me to it... __________________ Alex Don't judge a ship by the number of it's guns, but by the skill of it's crew.

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