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Bomarck 08-14-09 11:56 AM

Anyone know what this is?
 
I found this while scouring the net and was wondering if anyone could identify this sub? The site I found it on said it was Japanese if that's any help. The only thing I know that's similar would be the Surcouf.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...rck/121678.jpg

sharkbit 08-14-09 12:06 PM

Looks like a big, slow depth charge/ASDIC/SONAR/aircraft magnet.:D

Sorry, I can't offer any more help than that.

:)

sharkbit 08-14-09 12:17 PM

When I googled "sourcouf submarine" images, that picture did come up on the second page.
I couldn't find any Japanese submarines that looked like that.

:)

FIREWALL 08-14-09 12:22 PM

Looks Dangerous :dead: Would love to have it ingame. :yep:

Nice Find Bomarck :salute:

Dowly 08-14-09 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkbit (Post 1150793)
When I googled "sourcouf submarine" images, that picture did come up on the second page.
I couldn't find any Japanese submarines that looked like that.

:)

According to Wikipedia, that is exactly that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_Surcouf

Bomarck 08-14-09 12:34 PM

Guess it might be one, possibly a different type then?

Here is a pic of a Surcouf.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...uf8InchGun.jpg

FIREWALL 08-14-09 12:39 PM

btw.... Welcome Aboard Bomarck :salute: Nice first post. :up:

Bomarck 08-14-09 01:05 PM

Ah thank you :salute:

donut 08-14-09 01:10 PM

Hstory
 
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DX

Platapus 08-14-09 01:17 PM

It sure does look like the Surcouf but not exactly.

This is a strange duck. The enclosure looks different from the Surcouf but that could be due to the camera angle. What bothers me is the difference in the deck plating. However the cutouts for the diving plans seems to match that of the Surcouf.

There also seems to be differences in the conning tower and I would have expected to see the painted markings a bit clearer.

One the other hand, if it aint the Surcouf, what is it? Not British, Russian, Dutch, Japanese, US, or Italian. At least not that I can research.

I even took a closer look to see if this was a faked picture. But it looks real.

I would be willing to put the differences down to poor camera angle and call this the Surcouf..... nor not. :arrgh!:

Nickolas 08-15-09 11:14 PM

but... look at the net cutter, the shape of the bow (the Surcouf has a straight "dreadnought-esque" bow, while the "sub-?" has a bow similar to those of surface ships and "typical" ww2 subs)

also, the diving planes look different, and it either more of the "sub-?" stands out of the water, or it's WAY shorter and bulkier. (specially looking at the saddle tanks)

TheBrauerHour 08-16-09 08:25 AM

Reading the history of the sub on that wiki link makes the story that much more incredible.

Dowly 08-16-09 08:57 AM

Maybe it's time to start pondering, if the first photo is an real photo or if it is a piece of art.

Here's what caught my eye
- Could the Surcouf make a turn like that? It does seem kinda tight one. Especially the very end of the turn looks abit 'unnatural'.
- How is it so much "out of water"?
- The net-cutter is very similar to those in german uboats, yet it never was in german hands.
- The few websites I checked about the Surcouf, didnt have this photo. One would think that a good aerial shot like this would be used.
- There appears to be nobody in the conning tower.
- And lastly, I didnt find any information that the Surcouf would have been rebuilt later on nor copied by anyone. While the sub in the photo has it's differences compared to other photos of Surcouf, it could be explained by the possible artist taking a few liberties when making a shot like this.

Dowly 08-16-09 09:18 AM

Mystery solved. :smug:

The submarine in the first picture is I-507, a fictive submarine based in Surcouf used in Japanese war movie 'Lorelei: The Witch of the Pacific Ocean'.

Best picture I could find of it, you can see the main guns being identical to the photo on the 1st post.
http://www.robse.dk/pages/ModBoat/Su...e/I507back.jpg


The trailer shows few glimpses of it, with net-cutter etc.
http://www.nipponcinema.com/trailers/lorelei/

EDIT: One more pic
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1...orelei16.0.jpg

ajrimmer42 08-16-09 09:29 AM

Only thing I could find:

http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/121678.html

Apparently it's Japanese.

EDIT: oops, Dowly beat me to it...


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